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20 hours ago, burt said:

This is an example of why there are 7000 addons. 
90% of these should not exist in their existing format.

How the hell 7000 addons is used for "marketing" osCommerce is just ... "    " (lost for words).

If there are 7000 add-ons, there are probably 6500+ too many (duplicate, old versions, etc.). It becomes overwhelming trying to find something useful. There should be a ruthless pruning of the add-ons catalog, to separate by applicable base version, what actually works, what is reasonably well coded, what is supported at all, what's not duplicate, etc. A huge task at this point -- is it even possible? Certainly it's beyond the capacity of one or two people. Add to that the need for a better search mechanism so you can actually find what you're looking for (e.g., add tags, more than one word of search terms).

7000 add-ons is not a positive thing to advertise. It's more likely to scare off potential users.


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In almost every review or blog I have seen regarding osCommerce the number of add-ons has always been seen as a plus. I have never come across a reviewer that has said don't pick osCommerce its got too many add-ons. Has anyone else?

What is considered out of date and no good by one person may be essential to another. A few months ago all my 2.2 sites were using add-ons written many many years ago which I am sure some would consider outdated and poor quality. However they worked and when required I either updated them myself or paid to have them updated.

Yes the add-ons could do with better organization and perhaps even an archive, but they are defiantly a Plus for osCommerce.


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22 hours ago, MrPhil said:

7000 add-ons is not a positive thing to advertise. It's more likely to scare off potential users.

Agree.  The whole addons system need a massive overhaul, probably including dropping all the existing ones and starting again from zero.


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57 minutes ago, justcatering said:

However they worked and when required I either updated them myself or paid to have them updated.

Did you then give these updated addons back for community use as updated versions.


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The issue here is not the number or if they are properly written (specially is there are no place where you can find the 'keys' how to programing).

I think that the problem is that you need be a ninja or be lucky when find your right contribution/app. I noted previously... You need an extra work searching for forums and may be you will find no the good goal.

I saw that some contributions have issues, that someone writes in a post a solution, but it's not translated to the download page...

Some of GOOD coders make 'contributions' (not only experiments) in github (some very interesting) but they are lost unless you read almost all the post here...:blink:

What about 'partials' updates? I know that is a personal feeling but I HATE when someone upload a file that solves an issue (not the full pack), latter other that add another file, a third that amend the first one (not full pack)... Almost nobody may know if all the improvements may crash the contribution or not...

Every one of us have different technical background, some are only shopowners, others only coder, the majority a mix in different proportions of code/shop.

One can help to the community making an humble and rudimentary F.A.Q. that work. Ok, you need edit a php file every time you need to change something in the language (well the same for the REST ot the language definitions...), another can do more complex apps that allow editon in php files or others making a marketplace in a week.

We need ALL of these people trying to keep this alive! (please read this with the music attached)

Anyway, after this patriotic soflama, may be it should be a good idea if we create a kind of help with the contributions.

May be a github listing the ones that work with 2.2(frankensteiners), 2.3, 2.3BS, 2.4... 3.0

Someone push a conmit, then the contribution (with link both to apps page / forum) is added to the list.

If someone found that 'dont work', another push asking for bug.

If someone found that works in this version, push a conmit saying that works.

* My Beautifull F.A.Q.  - for 2.3BS - last updated 5-5-18 - 100% of the 10 users says that it works!
* Login with Netscape  - for 2.4 - last updated 7-5-45 - 10% of the 100 users says that is works!

Github, a public spreadsheet in google docs... a way to see and check..

Latter, if it is possible a post sticked somewhere in the forum with the link and telling to ALL the people the procedure for publish, vote, search, etc...

Yes, I KNOW, may be a lot of work...

 

 


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By the way, I think that is NOT possible / legal, translate a contribution from osC to theprommisedcontribuionrepository.org, right ?


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even if the author wants.. ?


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51 minutes ago, 14steve14 said:

Did you then give these updated addons back for community use as updated versions.

Yes any I paid for and developer was happy to post as free had my blessing. All my old 2.2a sites were done by a developer and paid for. Even now on BS I have allowed paid for add-ons to be posted free for community and why wouldn't I if developer is happy to do it I have no issue with that?

 

Now any ugly core code hacks I had to do to keep 2.2a running are not in add-ons as they would not be of any use to anyone and would probably be ridiculed.

 

I have even done some simple add-ons for EdgeBS all posted free, again probably not going to win any prizes, but the whole point of the forum is to get people involved, or do you want it to be the preserve of a few elite?

 

The more people we get doing add-ons the better, welcome them all the good the bad and the ugly :) with time people will learn, improve and make progress.


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Just now, justcatering said:

The more people we get doing add-ons the better, welcome them all the good the bad and the ugly :) with time people will learn, improve and make progress.

This Team Member only wants Good uploaded.  No Bad, no Ugly.

Bad and Ugly, is bad and ugly for the shopowner trying to use it, and by extension bad and ugly for osCommerce.


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24 minutes ago, burt said:

This Team Member only wants Good uploaded.  No Bad, no Ugly.

Bad and Ugly, is bad and ugly for the shopowner trying to use it, and by extension bad and ugly for osCommerce.

Well this store owner is very grateful to all the members, team or not who took the time and effort to make and post addons no matter if they may now considered good, bad or ugly. It takes all sorts to make a community and it takes every one involved to keep a community going.

Thank you everyone and keep posting.


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Yeah but, we don't care about Shopowners.  We are developers, we live in a land of make believe made of 1's and 0's :tongue::thumbsup: 


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19 minutes ago, justcatering said:

Well this store owner is very grateful to all the members, team or not who took the time and effort to make and post addons no matter if they may now considered good, bad or ugly. It takes all sorts to make a community and it takes every one involved to keep a community going.

Thank you everyone and keep posting.

I hate to agree with this out loud... But I too as a shopowner have used many number of these $hitty addons.... why, despite the poor execution, the "idea" was good.

And some of those same good ideas have now been turned into well coded modular addons that do now fit the current "community" modular ethos (of no core changes).

The point is that yes, OsC has 7,000 addons... and many (most) of those 7,000 addon are not well coded. HOWEVER, as a shopowner there are maybe 4,000 or 5,000 GREAT ideas! This is a great resource! And the ideas that have NOT yet been rework into modular addons hopeful now will - to work with the next versions and app store.

As a secondary point, almost all those same ideas have now been used, and reworked, into addons for Shopify.... See where I'm going with this?

The great resource OsC has provided the ecom world, has been used against OsC to now dominate the world.... it is sad, but true.

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3 minutes ago, greasemonkey said:

The great resource OsC has provided the ecom world, has been used against OsC to now dominate the world.... it is sad, but true.

Agree - I have said before Osc is the mother of all shopping carts ...

 

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6 minutes ago, greasemonkey said:

The great resource OsC has provided the ecom world, has been used against OsC to now dominate the world.... it is sad, but true.

Time to fight back?


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1 minute ago, burt said:

Time to fight back?

YES!  ......... We can do better!

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3 minutes ago, justcatering said:

lets make edge super usable with an awesome selection of add-ons that just work.

Edge Is super usable ... But core code is at the end of its life cycle ... We need to move on ... Finish 2.4  of Finish  3.0 or whatever ...

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18 minutes ago, azpro said:

Edge Is super usable ... But core code is at the end of its life cycle ... We need to move on ... Finish 2.4  of Finish  3.0 or whatever ...

I’m sure you are right but this is a typical example of how people have different views. Edge is wonderful but only becomes super usable with key addons.

To a typical store owner who has no code experience he will see little difference out of the box! Its only when you see how easy it is to apply addons ( those that are available) does it get to the next level.

Its only when you add many of Gary’s 28d addons and other key addons do you get to super usable, from a store owners point of view.:thumbsup:


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12 minutes ago, justcatering said:

Its only when you add many of Gary’s 28d addons and other key addons do you get to super usable, from a store owners point of view

Absolutely - that's why I (among others) asked / urged / advised shopowners more than once "to buy these super simple yet very effective add-ons" of Gary @burt  ... Use it or buy it just to support him ... Unfortunately - not toooo many followed that advise ... That having said ... whatever we think / we like it or not .... 2.3BS IS FINAL ... The Bugweek is over - alltough not toooooo much bugs were reported .. there probably are still bugs. ... BUT IT IS FINAL - DONE !! It is good and can be used - but IT IS FINAL ... really :biggrin:

So we need to move on!

 

 

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One more thing

One more thing ... I still get goosebumps if i hear that .. I look back to the best Sales Pitch ever from time to time ... Steve we miss you!

"We have one click template install - We have the fastest cart - And one more thing .. The new Osc has an API foundation to talk to all major accounting/logistics/payments providers ....."  That is what I would like to hear!

So we can only make it better if we team up ... Those hardcore Osc users still around here on the forum - need to accept we MUST move on ... That's the only way to make it better IMHO

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26 minutes ago, azpro said:

Absolutely - that's why I (among others) asked / urged / advised shopowners more than once "to buy these super simple yet very effective add-ons" of Gary @burt  ... Use it or buy it just to support him ... Unfortunately - not toooo many followed that advise ... That having said ... whatever we think / we like it or not .... 2.3BS IS FINAL ... The Bugweek is over - alltough not toooooo much bugs were reported .. there probably are still bugs. ... BUT IT IS FINAL - DONE !! It is good and can be used - but IT IS FINAL ... really :biggrin:

So we need to move on!

 

 

I would hazard a guess that the reason many shipowners are not buying the addons is not that they don't want to buy! Its probably more to do with the fact that very few have opted to use Edge.

I can tell you from my experience when reviewing what to use to replace my 2.2a sites. When approaching developers ( including Partners) the response was its high risk not finished. One partner even said he would not use it as it was not official. His view was 2.3 with responsive template could do everything required so was no point in using unofficial Edge.

This was also true of many hosting company's as they would only install official version. So I would conclude that the actual user base of live Edge stores is probably very small. Hopefully once final is released and if it gets some official support more store owners will feel more confident in migrating to it. That hopefully will result in better take up of addons.:smile:


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20 minutes ago, justcatering said:

I would hazard a guess that the reason many shipowners are not buying the addons is not that they don't want to buy! Its probably more to do with the fact that very few have opted to use Edge.

I can tell you from my experience when reviewing what to use to replace my 2.2a sites. When approaching developers ( including Partners) the response was its high risk not finished. One partner even said he would not use it as it was not official. His view was 2.3 with responsive template could do everything required so was no point in using unofficial Edge.

This was also true of many hosting company's as they would only install official version. So I would conclude that the actual user base of live Edge stores is probably very small. Hopefully once final is released and if it gets some official support more store owners will feel more confident in migrating to it. That hopefully will result in better take up of addons.:smile:

Zahid - you are totally right but this has been discussed over and over again ... @Harald Ponce de Leon probably has his reasons not to make BS official  - we just don't know because Harald doe not talk back.

So ... we must move on!

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