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Most Hosting Providers will not be able to run osc 3.x

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After reading this post on Twitter,

 

haraldpdl Harald Ponce de Leon

The minimum requirement for OSCOM v3.0 is PHP v5.3. We are one of the first general solutions to move to PHP v5.3. #oscommerce

 

 

I searched around and found the following hosting providers will not be able to run the upcoming release of v3.x

 

Hostgator - PHP 5.2

Godaddy - PHP 5.2

Blue Host - PHP 5.0

Siteground - PHP 5.2

Ultra Website Hosting - PHP 5.2

Inmotion Hosting - PHP 5.2

Webhosting Hub - PHP 5.0

Ipage - PHP 5.2

Fat Cow - PHP 4.x & 5.0

Just Host - PHP 5.0

Blue Host - PHP 5.0

Host Monster - PHP 5.0

Green Geeks - PHP 5.0

My Hosting - PHP 5.2.9

Hostway - PHP 5.2.6

UK2 - PHP 5.2.5

SKY.UK.Net - PHP 4.x & 5.0 w/Soap

Nativespace PHP 5.0

 

 

 

So, with just a 30 minute search I found that those 18 hosting providers will not have the capabilities to run the much anticipated release of version 3.x. How disappointing ! v3.x should be backward compatible to at least PHP 5.2 as this minimum requirement will exclude most everyone from using v3.x until such a time that their hosting provider updates to PHP 5.3.

 

 

I am glad v2.3.1 is stable and works on most every server or osCommerce would be at a dead stop !

 

 

 

 

Chris

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So, with just a 30 minute search I found that those 18 hosting providers will not have the capabilities to run the much anticipated release of version 3.x. How disappointing ! v3.x should be backward compatible to at least PHP 5.2 as this minimum requirement will exclude most everyone from using v3.x until such a time that their hosting provider updates to PHP 5.3.

 

When deciding on if we should go with PHP 5.3 as a minimum requirement it was known that few shared hosting providers supported it, however IMO the benefits we gain far out wieigh the current lack of support. The framework would be much less flexible and harder to maintain had we not done with PHP 5.3. Every major distro now has PHP 5.3 builds available, PHP 5.2 is now End of life so building a new framework upon it would of been a mistake IMO.

 

Time to get pressuring hosting providers to provide PHP 5.3 on their platform thumbsup.gif

 

I am glad v2.3.1 is stable and works on most every server or osCommerce would be at a dead stop !

 

2.3.x will receive some bug fix updates in the coming months after 3.x is released to ensure we don't abandon the existing user base

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After reading this post on Twitter,

 

 

 

 

I searched around and found the following hosting providers will not be able to run the upcoming release of v3.x

 

Hostgator - PHP 5.2

Godaddy - PHP 5.2

Blue Host - PHP 5.0

Siteground - PHP 5.2

Ultra Website Hosting - PHP 5.2

Inmotion Hosting - PHP 5.2

Webhosting Hub - PHP 5.0

Ipage - PHP 5.2

Fat Cow - PHP 4.x & 5.0

Just Host - PHP 5.0

Blue Host - PHP 5.0

Host Monster - PHP 5.0

Green Geeks - PHP 5.0

My Hosting - PHP 5.2.9

Hostway - PHP 5.2.6

UK2 - PHP 5.2.5

SKY.UK.Net - PHP 4.x & 5.0 w/Soap

Nativespace PHP 5.0

 

 

 

So, with just a 30 minute search I found that those 18 hosting providers will not have the capabilities to run the much anticipated release of version 3.x. How disappointing ! v3.x should be backward compatible to at least PHP 5.2 as this minimum requirement will exclude most everyone from using v3.x until such a time that their hosting provider updates to PHP 5.3.

 

 

I am glad v2.3.1 is stable and works on most every server or osCommerce would be at a dead stop !

 

 

 

 

Chris

 

Add eukhost.com to the list. They support 5.2 and will not be updating soon

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I agree with the team position.

 

Host providers will update earlier or later, nobody can stop the progress.

 

And for osCommerce it's much better to be a step ahead and to get rid of the image of the "good old solid grandfather"

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I agree with the team position.Host providers will update earlier or later, nobody can stop the progress.And for osCommerce it's much better to be a step ahead and to get rid of the image of the "good old solid grandfather"

 

 

Yes, sooner or later they will update, but writing a software program that 50% (just guessing on this) can't use seems redundant. What if they don't update for 2 years ? That means v3.x may be out of date before it is even really used.

 

Stepping ahead is fine, but abandoning what is currently in use makes no sense. It is like building a car that runs on a fuel that isn't available to most of the world. A bad decision IMO.

 

 

 

 

Chris

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Yes, sooner or later they will update, but writing a software program that 50% (just guessing on this) can't use seems redundant. What if they don't update for 2 years ? That means v3.x may be out of date before it is even really used.

 

The point of using 5.3 was to ensure it wasn't out of date, there will always be options for hosting companies that make 5.3 available, all major frameworks are moving towards it and soon all apps will move to it as well.

 

 

 

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[...]It is like building a car that runs on a fuel that isn't available to most of the world [...]

 

Chris, we still have the old car. The longer it will take for the hosts to upgrade the longer we will keep using it, and that's not bad for the invested work into the old version. And it is also not bad to have some time to get used to the new version, develop addons etc.

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I think all software should move on and as such v3.0 can only be a positive, however, at present there are 2 big problems:

first the fact that many hosts don't support PHP5.3 yet and we don't know when they will update, and second is the fact that most oscommerce users are just that: users NOT coders, and I don't see how average users will be able to code their own modifications unless they hire a pro to do it. (Already on v2.3.1 the install of certain add ons requires some code edits that many people people can't manage on their own).

V3.0 right now sounds as though it can only be handled by a few people: developers/coders and hosts that support PHP5.3, but it doesn't sound as though it can be handled by the vast majority of people using 2.3.1 or older versions.

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Stepping ahead is fine, but abandoning what is currently in use makes no sense. It is like building a car that runs on a fuel that isn't available to most of the world. A bad decision IMO.

 

 

We aren't abandoning anything, but IMO there is no point in building a foundation in something which is already end-of-life and non supported. If that slows adoption then fair enough, eventually the rest will catchup.

 

 

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Perhaps there is an opportunity for someone to rent a couple of well-specced servers and open up a "oscommerce only" hosting co. Seems ideal. Become a corporate sponsor and everyone is a winner.

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LOL - I used to work in a hosting co. Never again!

 

If someone was to do it, I'd suggest not going down the cheap and cheerful route of $5 a month, but charge $25 a month or maybe more. Business level hosting, based on being the only hoster who can do osc v3 and is a corporate sponsor. If HPDL had his head screwed on, well, I guess he could have all sorts of services offered alongside the "free" oscommerce; hosting, domain name, templates, coding service, paid for helpdesk and loads more. An osCommerce APP store even ;)

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If HPDL had his head screwed on, well, I guess he could have all sorts of services offered alongside the "free" oscommerce; hosting, domain name, templates, coding service, paid for helpdesk and loads more. An osCommerce APP store even

 

One would have to assume HPDL is millionaire and does not really need additional income which would be generated from 'additional services'.

 

 

However, I do have a Dedicated box and may just update it to PHP 5.3 to offer such services ! However, since it was your idea G, if you set it up, I will refer v3.x users to you. I guess all of the concern will be a waste of time if this release of v3.x is like the last.

 

 

 

 

Chris

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nice to know theres charitable people out there willing to set up charity(ies) to offer osc v3 services, be prepared to have enough fund to last the initial two years, though.

no hurry up for the count down deadline IMO - i would not complain about any further delay - you are well in advance of the real world. i am still trying hard to break v2.3.x so that it takes ANY addons, e.g., get rid of all the bm_boxes, if needs be, sorry.

ken

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After reading this post on Twitter,

 

 

 

 

I searched around and found the following hosting providers will not be able to run the upcoming release of v3.x

 

Hostgator - PHP 5.2

Godaddy - PHP 5.2

Blue Host - PHP 5.0

Siteground - PHP 5.2

Ultra Website Hosting - PHP 5.2

Inmotion Hosting - PHP 5.2

Webhosting Hub - PHP 5.0

Ipage - PHP 5.2

Fat Cow - PHP 4.x & 5.0

Just Host - PHP 5.0

Blue Host - PHP 5.0

Host Monster - PHP 5.0

Green Geeks - PHP 5.0

My Hosting - PHP 5.2.9

Hostway - PHP 5.2.6

UK2 - PHP 5.2.5

SKY.UK.Net - PHP 4.x & 5.0 w/Soap

Nativespace PHP 5.0

 

 

 

So, with just a 30 minute search I found that those 18 hosting providers will not have the capabilities to run the much anticipated release of version 3.x. How disappointing ! v3.x should be backward compatible to at least PHP 5.2 as this minimum requirement will exclude most everyone from using v3.x until such a time that their hosting provider updates to PHP 5.3.

 

 

I am glad v2.3.1 is stable and works on most every server or osCommerce would be at a dead stop !

 

 

 

 

Chris

 

 

Looks like we need to add Hypermart to this list ~ PHP Version: 5.2.12

 

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Frank,

 

Pm Mark Evans with the hosting provider and he will add it to the current list of approved hosting providers for v3.x

 

 

 

Chris

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I think it's a bad idea for a shop owner to lock her innovation because her hoster says i dont want to upgrade for you... If he dont want, it's his problem, not yours. Sometimes it's time to take some risk and explore other way for make money, see invest a little, like as change your favorite hoster for a other for exemple. It's the life...

 

A company have some needs, if you like your company, you'll find it and it isn't your hoster who manage your shop there is only you.

 

I'm agree with multimixer

 

Host providers will update earlier or later, nobody can stop the progress.

 

If people needs to evoluate to oscom3, they need to be logical with them and evoluate to a hoster with php 5.3.

 

Ovh have php5.3

SetEnv PHP_VER 5_TEST

in .htaccess file.

 

Thx to HDLP and the rest of OSCOM team for this hard work. We hope you the succes :thumbsup:

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Pm Mark Evans with the hosting provider and he will add it to the current list of approved hosting providers for v3.x

 

 

This list isn't for "Approved" hosting providers, its just for hosting providers that offer PHP 5.3. I haven't tested osCommerce on any of them and have only verified that they offer PHP 5.3 as an option in their shared hosting package

 

 

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Perhaps there is an opportunity for someone to rent a couple of well-specced servers and open up a "oscommerce only" hosting co. Seems ideal. Become a corporate sponsor and everyone is a winner.

 

I like that idea.

 

Cheers

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first the fact that many hosts don't support PHP5.3 yet and we don't know when they will update, and second is the fact that most oscommerce users are just that: users NOT coders, and I don't see how average users will be able to code their own modifications unless they hire a pro to do it. (Already on v2.3.1 the install of certain add ons requires some code edits that many people people can't manage on their own).

 

"Already on v2.3.1 the install of certain add ons requires some code edits that many people people can't manage on their own" and that's one problem fixed by the new 3.x design. Installing addons will now be extremely simple. In 2.x, installing multiple addons can easily become a nightmare. In 3.0, just upload the files and activate. Because the core OSC files are not changed by addons and addons only interact in a well defined way, compatibilty issues are GREATLY reduced.

 

Writing new addons will certainly be very different, and marginally more difficult.

I think, though, that if PDL or someone makes (or made) a tutorial with a couple of

skeleton addons coders will get the hang of it pretty quickly. It'll largely just

be a matter of getting them to "unlearn" the idea of hacking through the core OSC

code and instead put their own code in their own module, where it doesn't interfere

with any core OSC code or any other addons.

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Yes, sooner or later they will update, but writing a software program that 50% (just guessing on this) can't use seems redundant. What if they don't update for 2 years ? That means v3.x may be out of date before it is even really used.

 

Chris

 

If this were C, Perl, or any other stable programming language I would agree.

However, PHP was not originally written as a general purpose programming language.

Rather, PHP was intended to be a CMS and was itself originally written in Perl.

As a CMS system, not a programming language, PHP was not all that suitable for

general programming. It had several major issues, not the least of which were

ridiculous security problems. The PHP team has been working very hard and making

great strides in developing PHP into a real language appropriate for serious

projects like OsCommerce. PHP 5.3 is a much better language than PHP 4.x was,

and PHP 6.0 (not yet released) is actually a pretty solid platform. Given that it

is PHP we're talking about, and given that the old style PHP code is so aweful

compare to the latest version, I think that leveraging these great improvements

in PHP 5.3 was a great idea.

 

Some web hosts don't support 5.3 right now, true, but many do. We offer hosting with 5.3 for example.

Last year about 88% of all server hacks were caused by bugs in old PHP code.

Some hosting companies stick with old broken systems which are easily hacked,

while some see the tremendous improvements, including the much better security,

and offer you something far more solid. To me, using old PHP versions and not

even offering a solid version tells me that's a host I would think twice about using.

Yes, some very popular hosts use old crappy versions. AOL is also very popular,

but that in no way means it's the best.

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For those of you complaining about the lack of hosts not supporting 5.3, take some of that money you have earned using FREE SOFTWARE and invest in a real host. :devil:

 

Thank You to the OSC Team for taking the time to think ahead.

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Update.. Hostgator has update all shared hosting and if you have a vps or dedicated and dont want to do it yourself you can contact thier support department and have 5.3 up in less than an hour. All new accounts should have this installed already.

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If this were C, Perl, or any other stable programming language I would agree.

However, PHP was not originally written as a general purpose programming language.

Rather, PHP was intended to be a CMS and was itself originally written in Perl.

As a CMS system, not a programming language, PHP was not all that suitable for

general programming. It had several major issues, not the least of which were

ridiculous security problems.

PHP was originally "Personal Home Page Tools" and was a specialized language (written in Perl) designed to ease the production of Web pages. It has evolved over time into "PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor" and is a fairly general and stable programming language that happens to shine as a Web page platform. You wouldn't try producing a Web page in FORTRAN, and you wouldn't dream of doing complex numerical analysis in PHP (although either language could, after much hitting of thumbs with the hammer, sort of do the other's job).

 

I would take issue that it was originally a CMS. It wasn't, at least not in the sense of Drupal, Joomla, or even Wordpress. Perhaps you have a nonstandard definition of "Content Management System". PHP started as a specialized programming language or toolkit running on top of Perl (a general purpose programming language), oriented towards producing Web pages. And yes, there have been many security issues that have been addressed over the years.

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