Guest Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Has anybody done a drop menu for the date of birth in account signup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 There's another post similar to this here... http://www.oscommerce.com/forums/viewtopic.php...p?p=98870#98870 I'd like to replace the DOB calander with radio buttons that display something like: ---------------------------------------------------- < 16 | 16 - 24 | 25 - 35 | 35 - 55 | 55 < ---------------------------------------------------- Any ideas? Cheers, Tony "The price of success is perseverance. The price of failure comes much cheaper." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Thanks Tony. One of the first people that I had sign up for testing complained about the date of birth format in account sign up, not only the format, but also the need to put a zero before single digits... took them three goes to get it right...... we all know that the USA has a different format to most other countries .... I have seen drop menus used elsewhere and they are pretty foolproof. Your idea is a good one..... it is much less intrusive to those who are sensitive about their age, and would be good for the sites where an accurate date of birth is not necessary. I am not sure of the impact of date of birth changes on osC... i will look into it..... I am considering your suggestion, so if I implement it I'll let you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinhuat Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I would like the date to be in dd/mm/yyyy format, rather than mm/dd/yyyy, how can i fix it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I would like the date to be in dd/mm/yyyy format, rather than mm/dd/yyyy, how can i fix it? Yup! Check out this thread: http://www.oscommerce.com/forums/viewtopic.php...p?p=73221#73221 Cheers, Tony "The price of success is perseverance. The price of failure comes much cheaper." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinhuat Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 thanks for that. how i wish that that can be done in admin/configuration! :roll: it would be a frustrating process if it has to be done again and again each time i try on a new snapshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 I guess if enough people respond to this thread, then it may well become a part of the CVS. So... who would like this as part of the CVS? "The price of success is perseverance. The price of failure comes much cheaper." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2003 Share Posted February 16, 2003 I guess if enough people respond to this thread, then it may well become a part of the CVS. So... who would like this as part of the CVS? Which are you referring to..? I think that a drop menu date of birth format is essential.... I am surprised at the lack of interest in this. What we currently have is both tedious and clumsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-San Posted February 16, 2003 Share Posted February 16, 2003 I think that a drop menu date of birth format is essential.... I am surprised at the lack of interest in this. What we currently have is both tedious and clumsy. Actually, I it would be interesting to know how many people require the date of birth - personally, I cannot see the reason for it at all. When I go into a real shop and purchase, nobody asks me my age! Ian-san Flawlessnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2003 Share Posted February 16, 2003 Ian-San, I agree with you...Unless you are selling cigarettes, booze or porn, there is no reason to have to have the DOB when signing up. That's one of the first things I turn off. If I get asked when signing into a site...I lie anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted February 16, 2003 Share Posted February 16, 2003 I guess if enough people respond to this thread, then it may well become a part of the CVS. So... who would like this as part of the CVS? Which are you referring to..? I think that a drop menu date of birth format is essential.... I am surprised at the lack of interest in this. What we currently have is both tedious and clumsy. I was referring to the date format being controlled from the admin configuration. Being a global program, I see this as being a requirement... and a HUGE benefit, actually. As for that date of birth... I agree with BB that there's no reason to have a DOB, though there are ligitment reasons for having an age option, similar to the radio buttons I'm still trying to acheive. One example of this, which is what I'm faced with... is that to get a goverment acreditation, I'm required to have a system in place that determines if the customer is over 16, if not, that they have parent approval. If anyone knows how I could create the radio buttons, and put in place a checkbox for anyone under 16 to say they have parent approval... I'd love to hear from you! Cheers, Tony "The price of success is perseverance. The price of failure comes much cheaper." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 I agree with you...Unless you are selling cigarettes, booze or porn, there is no reason to have to have the DOB when signing up. That's one of the first things I turn off. If I get asked when signing into a site...I lie anyway.... Hmmm... there are other reasons for collecting the date of birth than what you say.... depending on where you are there may be statutory requirements for doing so. It can be handy when checking client details.... some sites do not do business with just anybody and will run credit checks, trade reference checks etc. before their account is active... collecting valid user details is at times essential.... DOB may just be enough to show that somebody is scamming. I think there are enough threads on DOB in these forums for it to be apparent that something needs to be done about the current format for those sites that do need to collect it... nothing worse than ruffling a new client's feathers with a confusing format. I have seen many websites running drop menus... point and click... people appreciate simplicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 there are ligitment reasons for having an age option, similar to the radio buttons I'm still trying to acheive.One example of this, which is what I'm faced with... is that to get a goverment acreditation, I'm required to have a system in place that determines if the customer is over 16, if not, that they have parent approval. If anyone knows how I could create the radio buttons, and put in place a checkbox for anyone under 16 to say they have parent approval... I'd love to hear from you! Cheers, Tony Bumped into the following.... maybe something in it to help you..? You might also want to download a contribution called "United States Format" at http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contri...ons,822/page,10 and install the "over 18" modification. hope it helps.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 Your customers have to be 13 or older, or you cannot gather personal information about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 It's the law in the US and Canada and many EU countries that you cannot collect personal information (name, address, etc) from anyone under 14 years of age (minimum age of 13 in 40 US states). At the same time you will find that 60-70% of all online consumers WILL NOT complete a form if you ask them for their exact birth date. The signup form SHOULD be asking "Were you born before this date [ x ], or after this date [ x ] ?" And it should only be allowing those who were born "after this date" to continue to sign up. That way you do not alienate any customers by asking them their exact age, and your success rate for orders completed will increase tremendously. You should not be asking for a person's exact birthdate unless your credit card verification process specifically requires this (I don't know of any that do). There is no valid reason to collect birthdates (other than to send birthday greetings etc - which are extremely intrusive to a person's right to privacy). But, apparently some people just don't appear to care if they make a sale or not... amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 There is no valid reason to collect birthdates (other than to send birthday greetings etc - which are extremely intrusive to a person's right to privacy). No valid reason for yourself perhaps - I can assure you it very much depends upon your line of business and to what extent its necessary to validate that your client is who they say they are.... But, apparently some people just don't appear to care if they make a sale or not... amazing. As I said earlier, "some people" do not care to do business with just anybody... I don't expect you to comprehend this, but can assure you that the reasons are both logical and legitimate. There are still lines of trade where honesty and integrity are just as important as whether or not we "make a sale". If a trade client cannot demonstrate these qualities, no, we are not interested... and we do quite ok thankyou very much. This thread is about alternative methods of collecting the date of birth and not whether you think its necessary or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 There is no valid reason to collect birthdates (other than to send birthday greetings etc - which are extremely intrusive to a person's right to privacy). No valid reason for yourself perhaps - I can assure you it very much depends upon your line of business and to what extent its necessary to validate that your client is who they say they are.... But, apparently some people just don't appear to care if they make a sale or not... amazing. As I said earlier, "some people" do not care to do business with just anybody... I don't expect you to comprehend this, but can assure you that the reasons are both logical and legitimate. There are still lines of trade where honesty and integrity are just as important as whether or not we "make a sale". If a trade client cannot demonstrate these qualities, no, we are not interested... and we do quite ok thankyou very much. This thread is about alternative methods of collecting the date of birth and not whether you think its necessary or not. Why be so rude? Do you think you are above others on here Dick? I actually do comprehend what you are (crassly) saying, but then I guess some guys in small internet businesses think they're pretty important on forums so they have to try to berate others to make themselves feel better... ? I've worked for a couple fortune 100 companies, and have been the CTO and CIO -- the legal teams I've spoken to at various times over the past 4 years must also all be wrong? I merely offered advice that has been echoed repeatedly in quite a few meetings with a few dozen lawyers. Feel free to either use it, or sluff it off, makes no difference to me. If you are running an adult content website, then sure you are required to collect more exacting birthdate information (it varies from 18 to 21 years of age from state to state / province to province and is determined usually by the sate where your company is registered) - but you certainly shouldn't collect exact birthdates on most e-commerce websites. Confirming COPPA compliance is good enough in every state and province (USA/Canada) and will avoid your personal $11,000 liability for each account. Gathering exact birthdate information is also a violation in a number of them (California included), and it also decreases your sales success rate. It's entirely up to each e-tailer to decide what is important to them. But it is not a very good idea to insist that exact birthdates be gathered for the vast majority of osCommerce users. That is something left up to each individual e-tailer and it is advice they should seek from their local legal council to ensure they are complying with state and federal laws for where ever their business is physically located. Dunno why you're so overtly hostile on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Why be so rude? Do you think you are above others on here Dick? I actually do comprehend what you are (crassly) saying, but then I guess some guys in small internet businesses think they're pretty important on forums so they have to try to berate others to make themselves feel better... ? >snip Dunno why you're so overtly hostile on here... What the hell are you on about?.... it is YOU who has been hostile and made an ass (and crass) of yourself on these forums http://www.oscommerce.com/forums/viewtopic.php...8532&highlight= .... I cannot see anything in my post that would make you say such things about me.... they fit yourself quite nicely! You say that you comprehend, but you insist that your own view is the only legitimate one... how am I to believe you? Are you so upset because I pointed out the topic of discussion, which you choose to ignore because your own agenda is so much more important..... or because I urged you to apologise to Emiliano... have you done this yet? Good day![/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meandrew Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Actually, I it would be interesting to know how many people require the date of birth - personally, I cannot see the reason for it at all. When I go into a real shop and purchase, nobody asks me my age! I agree why is it needed at all. I think if the dob was to be developed an option just be developed as to which form fields were required, althought this could be never ending. I just want to get rid of it all together :) without trawling through: account.php account_edit.php account_edit_process.php address_book_process.php (which I just realised I didn't edit but should have) catalog/create_account_process.php catalog/includes/lanuages/english.php Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzuback Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Actually, I it would be interesting to know how many people require the date of birth - personally, I cannot see the reason for it at all. When I go into a real shop and purchase, nobody asks me my age! I agree why is it needed at all. I think if the dob was to be developed an option just be developed as to which form fields were required, althought this could be never ending. I just want to get rid of it all together :) without trawling through: account.php account_edit.php account_edit_process.php address_book_process.php (which I just realised I didn't edit but should have) catalog/create_account_process.php catalog/includes/lanuages/english.php Andrew I'm one who would prefer the ability to just get rid of the dob field altogether. Is there any way to disable the field other than modifing several files? Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Moore Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 I'm with Catherder and Joe, I think the under/over age thing is enough and as for validating when they purchase, if the credit card transaction is successful I don't see why I need any other info other than for marketing, therefore name, country and email address is plenty! When I took the DOB out of the php file (with //) I got a database error, does this mean I've missed other pieces of script? :? Life is a highway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guanche Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 I'm one who would prefer the ability to just get rid of the dob field altogether. Is there any way to disable the field other than modifing several files? Joe Simply done in MS1 and all SnapShots since, just go to Admin ... then... Configuration Customer Details there you can switch on/off these fields: Gender, DOB, Company, Suburb, state Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 I'm with Catherder and Joe, I think >snip I don't see Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meandrew Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 still no solution then :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 29, 2003 Share Posted March 29, 2003 I'm with Catherder and Joe, I think >snip I don't see Exactly! Just because YOU require an exact birthdate to sell your porn, Dick, does not mean the rest of us (99% of all osCommerce users) need to. Chris states his requirements for his site and you belittle him for it? Get your head out of your ass and stop thinking you are so important. Your singular requirements to sell your smut are not the requirements of the rest of us who sell products and services. The default configuration of OSC should be an is age over or under question, with an administration feature to configure the site to ask for the exact birthdate if the admin requires it (this could be a drop down menu, or by whatever method is determined to be the most ergonomic). That would solve the problem for the widest variety of osc using sites across the globe -- and that's what osc is all about, widest compatability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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