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    burt got a reaction from bonbec in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    Let's have a little think on this (so called) useless work that "the team" (I suppose that is me ? and lately Matt ?) has done. 
    Everything we do has a purpose and if (speaking for myself only), I truly believed that most shopowners think as you do, that would be the day I quit.
    In July 2019;
    Pre Placed Shopside Hooks * Manufacturers Class File and usage thereof * Pre Placed Admin Hooks * Split Installer Updated sample products Updated Navbar system Updated jQuery Extra Security Checks * New Phoenix Logo made by external graphic designer Reconfigured Version Checker to tie into main osCommerce website Get rid of php5.3 specific code  Update to Stock Check system Modularize Cart Page  * Update codebase to php7.3 and testing of all pages/modules etc fix gzip system Removal of defunct 3rd party modules Update FontAwesome to v5 and change to new FA system of naming across files Update Navbar BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In August 2019;
    Standardise Product Listing Layout  * Remove broken Grid/List feature Update Sort By Update FontAwesome Update Data Attributes Remove Reviews page Introduce Review Modules * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In September 2019;
    Update FontAwesome Limit Reviews to Verified Purchasers * Introduce Password Forgotten Module Introduce flexibility to Product Listings * Update Hook system  Remove Defunct modules Restyle and update Checkout Tunnel * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In October 2019;
    Flexible Icon Display Show Inactive Modules  Remove Cache System Update admin Categories for Hooking, Tabbing * Start Bootstrap Admin Remove broken Banner System Add Form Injection  BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In November 2019;
    Remove broken Social Bookmarks System More Admin bootstrapping Hooks major update * Introduce Addon certification * Modularisation of Testimonials Page * Update Admin boxes * Introduce new TEMPLATE handling  * Update installation procedure Update Bootstrap BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In December 2019;
    Update Sage Pay Module Update Schema Manufacturers Update Hooks More Admin bootstrapping Liberalise SQL queries  * Update Dashboard Modules  Introduce Autoloader * Hook Reviews Update LIbrary domains  Refactor Admin Login Introduce Admin Autoloader  * Update Fontawesome Hook Admin Column BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In January 2020;
    More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars & link More Security Checks Restyle Invoice/Packingslip Hooked Invoice/Packingslip Update Hooks page Default Image functionality  * Update installer Selectable address labels  * Updated 20yr old country list BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In February 2020;
    Update email class  * More Admin bootstrapping Refactor Hooks for pipelining * Introduce system files * Introduce customer data mods * Introduce checkout modules * Convert Braintree to an App Hooked Printable Pages Introduce MATC * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In March 2020;
    Block Form processing by Hook/App * Introduce GDPR * Modularise Create Account Success * Introduce Advert Manager * Introduce Notification Modules * Introduce new Gallery system Update for Apache 2.4 Add Hook to infobox class Prepare Switchable templates * More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars Introduce Advert Class * Introduce PI product layout * Update FontAwesome Introduce page selector * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements So far In April 2020;
    Add Sample Data Update session variables Autostart pipelined hooks * Update page selector module usage New PI modules * Nickname Reviews Update checkout Update jQuery Extend Testimonial Hooks BUG Fixes and other minor improvements You will see some of the items above are in bold.  This is new functionality.
    You will see some of the items above have a red star (*).  This is IMPORTANT new functionality.
    All of the above has been done to modernise osCommerce and allow addon makers to make addons that change no (or very little) core code.
    By doing this, shopowners have a much easier life.  If shopowners have a much easier life, developers have a much a easier life.  You can see the circle joining.
    So, I refute your claim that Matt and I (and others) have wasted our time and effort.  I refute your claim that the above is useless.
    While the above was happening over the months, we gained 63 supporters from July until now.  1 supporter pays for 1 hour of coding time.  Do you believe that all of the above has been done in 63 hours?  I know that I have put in hundreds of unpaid hours since July, and I suspect Matt is the same.  The same goes for raiwa and brockleyjohn - unpaid hours devoted to their addons, yet able to find time to help out giving hours to core code.
    To those absolutely brilliant 63 supporters, you know that you guys allowed (and are allowing) Phoenix to fly high and by extension keeping osCommerce on life support.  To the others who have not yet been able or willing to start supporting...or just did not realise what it takes to run something the size of Phoenix...perhaps this post opened your eyes.
    I'll end with two images;


    which shows that Matt and I, between us, have about 1650 contributions in 18 months.  That number excludes;
    all the time and effort spent answer questions and giving support here at the forum and by email. all the spam busting we have to do all the times we have to read abuse and idiotic comments by PM, email, and in this forum all the other modules that we give away for free and the support that this takes and most importantly, our actual real life jobs that we have Maybe this post has opened a few eyes as to the reality of the situation we find ourselves in???
    You can either continue on as you are and end up not being a part of anything, or you can change the path you are walking on and support Matt and myself over the coming months and years.  Open your eyes, and start thinking outside your little bubble.
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    burt got a reaction from bonbec in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    Let's have a little think on this (so called) useless work that "the team" (I suppose that is me ? and lately Matt ?) has done. 
    Everything we do has a purpose and if (speaking for myself only), I truly believed that most shopowners think as you do, that would be the day I quit.
    In July 2019;
    Pre Placed Shopside Hooks * Manufacturers Class File and usage thereof * Pre Placed Admin Hooks * Split Installer Updated sample products Updated Navbar system Updated jQuery Extra Security Checks * New Phoenix Logo made by external graphic designer Reconfigured Version Checker to tie into main osCommerce website Get rid of php5.3 specific code  Update to Stock Check system Modularize Cart Page  * Update codebase to php7.3 and testing of all pages/modules etc fix gzip system Removal of defunct 3rd party modules Update FontAwesome to v5 and change to new FA system of naming across files Update Navbar BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In August 2019;
    Standardise Product Listing Layout  * Remove broken Grid/List feature Update Sort By Update FontAwesome Update Data Attributes Remove Reviews page Introduce Review Modules * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In September 2019;
    Update FontAwesome Limit Reviews to Verified Purchasers * Introduce Password Forgotten Module Introduce flexibility to Product Listings * Update Hook system  Remove Defunct modules Restyle and update Checkout Tunnel * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In October 2019;
    Flexible Icon Display Show Inactive Modules  Remove Cache System Update admin Categories for Hooking, Tabbing * Start Bootstrap Admin Remove broken Banner System Add Form Injection  BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In November 2019;
    Remove broken Social Bookmarks System More Admin bootstrapping Hooks major update * Introduce Addon certification * Modularisation of Testimonials Page * Update Admin boxes * Introduce new TEMPLATE handling  * Update installation procedure Update Bootstrap BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In December 2019;
    Update Sage Pay Module Update Schema Manufacturers Update Hooks More Admin bootstrapping Liberalise SQL queries  * Update Dashboard Modules  Introduce Autoloader * Hook Reviews Update LIbrary domains  Refactor Admin Login Introduce Admin Autoloader  * Update Fontawesome Hook Admin Column BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In January 2020;
    More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars & link More Security Checks Restyle Invoice/Packingslip Hooked Invoice/Packingslip Update Hooks page Default Image functionality  * Update installer Selectable address labels  * Updated 20yr old country list BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In February 2020;
    Update email class  * More Admin bootstrapping Refactor Hooks for pipelining * Introduce system files * Introduce customer data mods * Introduce checkout modules * Convert Braintree to an App Hooked Printable Pages Introduce MATC * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In March 2020;
    Block Form processing by Hook/App * Introduce GDPR * Modularise Create Account Success * Introduce Advert Manager * Introduce Notification Modules * Introduce new Gallery system Update for Apache 2.4 Add Hook to infobox class Prepare Switchable templates * More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars Introduce Advert Class * Introduce PI product layout * Update FontAwesome Introduce page selector * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements So far In April 2020;
    Add Sample Data Update session variables Autostart pipelined hooks * Update page selector module usage New PI modules * Nickname Reviews Update checkout Update jQuery Extend Testimonial Hooks BUG Fixes and other minor improvements You will see some of the items above are in bold.  This is new functionality.
    You will see some of the items above have a red star (*).  This is IMPORTANT new functionality.
    All of the above has been done to modernise osCommerce and allow addon makers to make addons that change no (or very little) core code.
    By doing this, shopowners have a much easier life.  If shopowners have a much easier life, developers have a much a easier life.  You can see the circle joining.
    So, I refute your claim that Matt and I (and others) have wasted our time and effort.  I refute your claim that the above is useless.
    While the above was happening over the months, we gained 63 supporters from July until now.  1 supporter pays for 1 hour of coding time.  Do you believe that all of the above has been done in 63 hours?  I know that I have put in hundreds of unpaid hours since July, and I suspect Matt is the same.  The same goes for raiwa and brockleyjohn - unpaid hours devoted to their addons, yet able to find time to help out giving hours to core code.
    To those absolutely brilliant 63 supporters, you know that you guys allowed (and are allowing) Phoenix to fly high and by extension keeping osCommerce on life support.  To the others who have not yet been able or willing to start supporting...or just did not realise what it takes to run something the size of Phoenix...perhaps this post opened your eyes.
    I'll end with two images;


    which shows that Matt and I, between us, have about 1650 contributions in 18 months.  That number excludes;
    all the time and effort spent answer questions and giving support here at the forum and by email. all the spam busting we have to do all the times we have to read abuse and idiotic comments by PM, email, and in this forum all the other modules that we give away for free and the support that this takes and most importantly, our actual real life jobs that we have Maybe this post has opened a few eyes as to the reality of the situation we find ourselves in???
    You can either continue on as you are and end up not being a part of anything, or you can change the path you are walking on and support Matt and myself over the coming months and years.  Open your eyes, and start thinking outside your little bubble.
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    burt got a reaction from Dan Cole in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    That is all it was and I will send an invite momentarily.  I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people who have been removed from the club for reasons other than inactivity - one of whom was let back in after apologising - just to go off on another nonsensical rant about this and that - and so was removed again for good...for his own sanity and mine.   
    A few other people have removed themselves for reasons known only to them, one of whom I bent over backwards for when he needed help (when he was being harassed by another member here) in the past (which really was a slap in the face to me, that hurt much more than anything) 😕 Hey ho, I guess people are your friend when they need help.
    Once you are back in, hit the "topics" tab and you will see hundreds of good threads and posts - the club is closed to keep out the sort of drama we see in this thread.
     
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    burt got a reaction from Dan Cole in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    That is all it was and I will send an invite momentarily.  I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people who have been removed from the club for reasons other than inactivity - one of whom was let back in after apologising - just to go off on another nonsensical rant about this and that - and so was removed again for good...for his own sanity and mine.   
    A few other people have removed themselves for reasons known only to them, one of whom I bent over backwards for when he needed help (when he was being harassed by another member here) in the past (which really was a slap in the face to me, that hurt much more than anything) 😕 Hey ho, I guess people are your friend when they need help.
    Once you are back in, hit the "topics" tab and you will see hundreds of good threads and posts - the club is closed to keep out the sort of drama we see in this thread.
     
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    burt reacted to Heatherbell in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    Sorry, you seem to have misunderstood or missed what is posted in the club.
    It says at the top of the club here - https://forums.oscommerce.com/clubs/1-phoenix/
    "Inactive Member Pruning happens on a monthly basis. You may get caught up in that if you don't post - it's nothing personal - just PM me and you can be re-added if you are going to be an active member of the club."
    There is also a pinned topic at the top of the club which gives all the details about how to support and contribute.
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    burt reacted to 14steve14 in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    @burt Gary thanks for that big long post above.
    Its about time that these people saw all the work that has been put in by you and a few others to actually keep alive what was an outdated lump of software that had had no serious updating in 3 or 4 years (if not longer), was a security risk. Dont forget that oscommerce marketing still states that there are over 7000 free addons regardless of whether they actually work, or are even well coded. These people seem to forget that without your input they would all be using Opencart or some other software. If paid supporters get additional code to improve their stores, thats what supporting gets them. If they choose not to support they cannot expect to get the additional code, now or in the future. I think you are too generous giving away some of your work in core code updates.
    Without myself and 62 other people who can actually see a future for the software, this argument would not be happening. I for one am fully appreciative of all the hard work that has had to happen, and that will hopefully continue to happen. Its not just the coding as you say, its the support and the abuse that you have to take. Its just very annoying when a certain small group of people try to spread negativity and lies about what is happening, and still dont see the benefits of what that work is doing and is bringing them. These people must learn to accept that peoples time and effort should be rewarded either fully or partially. I bet they dont offer to work for nearly free. More importantly they should stop all the PMs that are sent, and yes even I receive them from a few, and start actually being positive and start helping move this project forward, and find ways of getting other coders and shop owners interested. I know if I was reading some of the comments in the posts throughout this forum I would stay away. If they feel so strongly about their principles what are they even doing here. Go and find a piece of software that you do like.
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    burt got a reaction from LeeFoster in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    Thanks for your honesty and for keeping your comments mostly civil. 
    You would have been deemed an inactive member - that pruning took out those who had been members for at least 3 months and had not posted.  
    There is no point in being part of the problem, so be part of the solution.
    I wish you good luck on your adventure with Phoenix.
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    burt got a reaction from Fredi in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    There are a hardcore of about 10 users of osC/CE/Phoenix who are trying to destroy the Project I embarked on to keep osCommerce alive.  One or two people alone can't do it all, and a number of businesses (whose livelihood depends on osC/CE/Phoenix) realise this and have stepped up and said "let's do it".  We even have support from ZEN CART and MAGENTO users who believe that Phoenix code will help them with their software. 
    Let me say that again and be clear:  We have support for the Phoenix project from people who do not use Phoenix.
    Some businesses (actually using Phoenix !!!) would rather be subsidised by other businesses rather than open their eyes to reality.  
    That's fine and well, no problem - the problem comes when these hardcore group of 10 or so activists make posts telling us;
    it's all rubbish it all should be free the coders don't listen how terrible it is how this addon and that addon should be core  how we should support multiple languages in core so on and so forth. A small group of users who have a negative mindset do all the above (and more) and sometimes way way worse...even though many individuals (this small group of activists included) believe the osc ecosystem is a bad awful place ... they will not take a positive stance and say "OK what can I do to help keep the dream alive"...
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    burt got a reaction from bonbec in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    Let's have a little think on this (so called) useless work that "the team" (I suppose that is me ? and lately Matt ?) has done. 
    Everything we do has a purpose and if (speaking for myself only), I truly believed that most shopowners think as you do, that would be the day I quit.
    In July 2019;
    Pre Placed Shopside Hooks * Manufacturers Class File and usage thereof * Pre Placed Admin Hooks * Split Installer Updated sample products Updated Navbar system Updated jQuery Extra Security Checks * New Phoenix Logo made by external graphic designer Reconfigured Version Checker to tie into main osCommerce website Get rid of php5.3 specific code  Update to Stock Check system Modularize Cart Page  * Update codebase to php7.3 and testing of all pages/modules etc fix gzip system Removal of defunct 3rd party modules Update FontAwesome to v5 and change to new FA system of naming across files Update Navbar BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In August 2019;
    Standardise Product Listing Layout  * Remove broken Grid/List feature Update Sort By Update FontAwesome Update Data Attributes Remove Reviews page Introduce Review Modules * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In September 2019;
    Update FontAwesome Limit Reviews to Verified Purchasers * Introduce Password Forgotten Module Introduce flexibility to Product Listings * Update Hook system  Remove Defunct modules Restyle and update Checkout Tunnel * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In October 2019;
    Flexible Icon Display Show Inactive Modules  Remove Cache System Update admin Categories for Hooking, Tabbing * Start Bootstrap Admin Remove broken Banner System Add Form Injection  BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In November 2019;
    Remove broken Social Bookmarks System More Admin bootstrapping Hooks major update * Introduce Addon certification * Modularisation of Testimonials Page * Update Admin boxes * Introduce new TEMPLATE handling  * Update installation procedure Update Bootstrap BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In December 2019;
    Update Sage Pay Module Update Schema Manufacturers Update Hooks More Admin bootstrapping Liberalise SQL queries  * Update Dashboard Modules  Introduce Autoloader * Hook Reviews Update LIbrary domains  Refactor Admin Login Introduce Admin Autoloader  * Update Fontawesome Hook Admin Column BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In January 2020;
    More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars & link More Security Checks Restyle Invoice/Packingslip Hooked Invoice/Packingslip Update Hooks page Default Image functionality  * Update installer Selectable address labels  * Updated 20yr old country list BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In February 2020;
    Update email class  * More Admin bootstrapping Refactor Hooks for pipelining * Introduce system files * Introduce customer data mods * Introduce checkout modules * Convert Braintree to an App Hooked Printable Pages Introduce MATC * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In March 2020;
    Block Form processing by Hook/App * Introduce GDPR * Modularise Create Account Success * Introduce Advert Manager * Introduce Notification Modules * Introduce new Gallery system Update for Apache 2.4 Add Hook to infobox class Prepare Switchable templates * More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars Introduce Advert Class * Introduce PI product layout * Update FontAwesome Introduce page selector * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements So far In April 2020;
    Add Sample Data Update session variables Autostart pipelined hooks * Update page selector module usage New PI modules * Nickname Reviews Update checkout Update jQuery Extend Testimonial Hooks BUG Fixes and other minor improvements You will see some of the items above are in bold.  This is new functionality.
    You will see some of the items above have a red star (*).  This is IMPORTANT new functionality.
    All of the above has been done to modernise osCommerce and allow addon makers to make addons that change no (or very little) core code.
    By doing this, shopowners have a much easier life.  If shopowners have a much easier life, developers have a much a easier life.  You can see the circle joining.
    So, I refute your claim that Matt and I (and others) have wasted our time and effort.  I refute your claim that the above is useless.
    While the above was happening over the months, we gained 63 supporters from July until now.  1 supporter pays for 1 hour of coding time.  Do you believe that all of the above has been done in 63 hours?  I know that I have put in hundreds of unpaid hours since July, and I suspect Matt is the same.  The same goes for raiwa and brockleyjohn - unpaid hours devoted to their addons, yet able to find time to help out giving hours to core code.
    To those absolutely brilliant 63 supporters, you know that you guys allowed (and are allowing) Phoenix to fly high and by extension keeping osCommerce on life support.  To the others who have not yet been able or willing to start supporting...or just did not realise what it takes to run something the size of Phoenix...perhaps this post opened your eyes.
    I'll end with two images;


    which shows that Matt and I, between us, have about 1650 contributions in 18 months.  That number excludes;
    all the time and effort spent answer questions and giving support here at the forum and by email. all the spam busting we have to do all the times we have to read abuse and idiotic comments by PM, email, and in this forum all the other modules that we give away for free and the support that this takes and most importantly, our actual real life jobs that we have Maybe this post has opened a few eyes as to the reality of the situation we find ourselves in???
    You can either continue on as you are and end up not being a part of anything, or you can change the path you are walking on and support Matt and myself over the coming months and years.  Open your eyes, and start thinking outside your little bubble.
  10. Like
    burt got a reaction from bonbec in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    Let's have a little think on this (so called) useless work that "the team" (I suppose that is me ? and lately Matt ?) has done. 
    Everything we do has a purpose and if (speaking for myself only), I truly believed that most shopowners think as you do, that would be the day I quit.
    In July 2019;
    Pre Placed Shopside Hooks * Manufacturers Class File and usage thereof * Pre Placed Admin Hooks * Split Installer Updated sample products Updated Navbar system Updated jQuery Extra Security Checks * New Phoenix Logo made by external graphic designer Reconfigured Version Checker to tie into main osCommerce website Get rid of php5.3 specific code  Update to Stock Check system Modularize Cart Page  * Update codebase to php7.3 and testing of all pages/modules etc fix gzip system Removal of defunct 3rd party modules Update FontAwesome to v5 and change to new FA system of naming across files Update Navbar BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In August 2019;
    Standardise Product Listing Layout  * Remove broken Grid/List feature Update Sort By Update FontAwesome Update Data Attributes Remove Reviews page Introduce Review Modules * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In September 2019;
    Update FontAwesome Limit Reviews to Verified Purchasers * Introduce Password Forgotten Module Introduce flexibility to Product Listings * Update Hook system  Remove Defunct modules Restyle and update Checkout Tunnel * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In October 2019;
    Flexible Icon Display Show Inactive Modules  Remove Cache System Update admin Categories for Hooking, Tabbing * Start Bootstrap Admin Remove broken Banner System Add Form Injection  BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In November 2019;
    Remove broken Social Bookmarks System More Admin bootstrapping Hooks major update * Introduce Addon certification * Modularisation of Testimonials Page * Update Admin boxes * Introduce new TEMPLATE handling  * Update installation procedure Update Bootstrap BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In December 2019;
    Update Sage Pay Module Update Schema Manufacturers Update Hooks More Admin bootstrapping Liberalise SQL queries  * Update Dashboard Modules  Introduce Autoloader * Hook Reviews Update LIbrary domains  Refactor Admin Login Introduce Admin Autoloader  * Update Fontawesome Hook Admin Column BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In January 2020;
    More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars & link More Security Checks Restyle Invoice/Packingslip Hooked Invoice/Packingslip Update Hooks page Default Image functionality  * Update installer Selectable address labels  * Updated 20yr old country list BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In February 2020;
    Update email class  * More Admin bootstrapping Refactor Hooks for pipelining * Introduce system files * Introduce customer data mods * Introduce checkout modules * Convert Braintree to an App Hooked Printable Pages Introduce MATC * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In March 2020;
    Block Form processing by Hook/App * Introduce GDPR * Modularise Create Account Success * Introduce Advert Manager * Introduce Notification Modules * Introduce new Gallery system Update for Apache 2.4 Add Hook to infobox class Prepare Switchable templates * More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars Introduce Advert Class * Introduce PI product layout * Update FontAwesome Introduce page selector * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements So far In April 2020;
    Add Sample Data Update session variables Autostart pipelined hooks * Update page selector module usage New PI modules * Nickname Reviews Update checkout Update jQuery Extend Testimonial Hooks BUG Fixes and other minor improvements You will see some of the items above are in bold.  This is new functionality.
    You will see some of the items above have a red star (*).  This is IMPORTANT new functionality.
    All of the above has been done to modernise osCommerce and allow addon makers to make addons that change no (or very little) core code.
    By doing this, shopowners have a much easier life.  If shopowners have a much easier life, developers have a much a easier life.  You can see the circle joining.
    So, I refute your claim that Matt and I (and others) have wasted our time and effort.  I refute your claim that the above is useless.
    While the above was happening over the months, we gained 63 supporters from July until now.  1 supporter pays for 1 hour of coding time.  Do you believe that all of the above has been done in 63 hours?  I know that I have put in hundreds of unpaid hours since July, and I suspect Matt is the same.  The same goes for raiwa and brockleyjohn - unpaid hours devoted to their addons, yet able to find time to help out giving hours to core code.
    To those absolutely brilliant 63 supporters, you know that you guys allowed (and are allowing) Phoenix to fly high and by extension keeping osCommerce on life support.  To the others who have not yet been able or willing to start supporting...or just did not realise what it takes to run something the size of Phoenix...perhaps this post opened your eyes.
    I'll end with two images;


    which shows that Matt and I, between us, have about 1650 contributions in 18 months.  That number excludes;
    all the time and effort spent answer questions and giving support here at the forum and by email. all the spam busting we have to do all the times we have to read abuse and idiotic comments by PM, email, and in this forum all the other modules that we give away for free and the support that this takes and most importantly, our actual real life jobs that we have Maybe this post has opened a few eyes as to the reality of the situation we find ourselves in???
    You can either continue on as you are and end up not being a part of anything, or you can change the path you are walking on and support Matt and myself over the coming months and years.  Open your eyes, and start thinking outside your little bubble.
  11. Like
    burt got a reaction from bonbec in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    Let's have a little think on this (so called) useless work that "the team" (I suppose that is me ? and lately Matt ?) has done. 
    Everything we do has a purpose and if (speaking for myself only), I truly believed that most shopowners think as you do, that would be the day I quit.
    In July 2019;
    Pre Placed Shopside Hooks * Manufacturers Class File and usage thereof * Pre Placed Admin Hooks * Split Installer Updated sample products Updated Navbar system Updated jQuery Extra Security Checks * New Phoenix Logo made by external graphic designer Reconfigured Version Checker to tie into main osCommerce website Get rid of php5.3 specific code  Update to Stock Check system Modularize Cart Page  * Update codebase to php7.3 and testing of all pages/modules etc fix gzip system Removal of defunct 3rd party modules Update FontAwesome to v5 and change to new FA system of naming across files Update Navbar BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In August 2019;
    Standardise Product Listing Layout  * Remove broken Grid/List feature Update Sort By Update FontAwesome Update Data Attributes Remove Reviews page Introduce Review Modules * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In September 2019;
    Update FontAwesome Limit Reviews to Verified Purchasers * Introduce Password Forgotten Module Introduce flexibility to Product Listings * Update Hook system  Remove Defunct modules Restyle and update Checkout Tunnel * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In October 2019;
    Flexible Icon Display Show Inactive Modules  Remove Cache System Update admin Categories for Hooking, Tabbing * Start Bootstrap Admin Remove broken Banner System Add Form Injection  BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In November 2019;
    Remove broken Social Bookmarks System More Admin bootstrapping Hooks major update * Introduce Addon certification * Modularisation of Testimonials Page * Update Admin boxes * Introduce new TEMPLATE handling  * Update installation procedure Update Bootstrap BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In December 2019;
    Update Sage Pay Module Update Schema Manufacturers Update Hooks More Admin bootstrapping Liberalise SQL queries  * Update Dashboard Modules  Introduce Autoloader * Hook Reviews Update LIbrary domains  Refactor Admin Login Introduce Admin Autoloader  * Update Fontawesome Hook Admin Column BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In January 2020;
    More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars & link More Security Checks Restyle Invoice/Packingslip Hooked Invoice/Packingslip Update Hooks page Default Image functionality  * Update installer Selectable address labels  * Updated 20yr old country list BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In February 2020;
    Update email class  * More Admin bootstrapping Refactor Hooks for pipelining * Introduce system files * Introduce customer data mods * Introduce checkout modules * Convert Braintree to an App Hooked Printable Pages Introduce MATC * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In March 2020;
    Block Form processing by Hook/App * Introduce GDPR * Modularise Create Account Success * Introduce Advert Manager * Introduce Notification Modules * Introduce new Gallery system Update for Apache 2.4 Add Hook to infobox class Prepare Switchable templates * More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars Introduce Advert Class * Introduce PI product layout * Update FontAwesome Introduce page selector * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements So far In April 2020;
    Add Sample Data Update session variables Autostart pipelined hooks * Update page selector module usage New PI modules * Nickname Reviews Update checkout Update jQuery Extend Testimonial Hooks BUG Fixes and other minor improvements You will see some of the items above are in bold.  This is new functionality.
    You will see some of the items above have a red star (*).  This is IMPORTANT new functionality.
    All of the above has been done to modernise osCommerce and allow addon makers to make addons that change no (or very little) core code.
    By doing this, shopowners have a much easier life.  If shopowners have a much easier life, developers have a much a easier life.  You can see the circle joining.
    So, I refute your claim that Matt and I (and others) have wasted our time and effort.  I refute your claim that the above is useless.
    While the above was happening over the months, we gained 63 supporters from July until now.  1 supporter pays for 1 hour of coding time.  Do you believe that all of the above has been done in 63 hours?  I know that I have put in hundreds of unpaid hours since July, and I suspect Matt is the same.  The same goes for raiwa and brockleyjohn - unpaid hours devoted to their addons, yet able to find time to help out giving hours to core code.
    To those absolutely brilliant 63 supporters, you know that you guys allowed (and are allowing) Phoenix to fly high and by extension keeping osCommerce on life support.  To the others who have not yet been able or willing to start supporting...or just did not realise what it takes to run something the size of Phoenix...perhaps this post opened your eyes.
    I'll end with two images;


    which shows that Matt and I, between us, have about 1650 contributions in 18 months.  That number excludes;
    all the time and effort spent answer questions and giving support here at the forum and by email. all the spam busting we have to do all the times we have to read abuse and idiotic comments by PM, email, and in this forum all the other modules that we give away for free and the support that this takes and most importantly, our actual real life jobs that we have Maybe this post has opened a few eyes as to the reality of the situation we find ourselves in???
    You can either continue on as you are and end up not being a part of anything, or you can change the path you are walking on and support Matt and myself over the coming months and years.  Open your eyes, and start thinking outside your little bubble.
  12. Like
    burt got a reaction from bonbec in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    Let's have a little think on this (so called) useless work that "the team" (I suppose that is me ? and lately Matt ?) has done. 
    Everything we do has a purpose and if (speaking for myself only), I truly believed that most shopowners think as you do, that would be the day I quit.
    In July 2019;
    Pre Placed Shopside Hooks * Manufacturers Class File and usage thereof * Pre Placed Admin Hooks * Split Installer Updated sample products Updated Navbar system Updated jQuery Extra Security Checks * New Phoenix Logo made by external graphic designer Reconfigured Version Checker to tie into main osCommerce website Get rid of php5.3 specific code  Update to Stock Check system Modularize Cart Page  * Update codebase to php7.3 and testing of all pages/modules etc fix gzip system Removal of defunct 3rd party modules Update FontAwesome to v5 and change to new FA system of naming across files Update Navbar BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In August 2019;
    Standardise Product Listing Layout  * Remove broken Grid/List feature Update Sort By Update FontAwesome Update Data Attributes Remove Reviews page Introduce Review Modules * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In September 2019;
    Update FontAwesome Limit Reviews to Verified Purchasers * Introduce Password Forgotten Module Introduce flexibility to Product Listings * Update Hook system  Remove Defunct modules Restyle and update Checkout Tunnel * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In October 2019;
    Flexible Icon Display Show Inactive Modules  Remove Cache System Update admin Categories for Hooking, Tabbing * Start Bootstrap Admin Remove broken Banner System Add Form Injection  BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In November 2019;
    Remove broken Social Bookmarks System More Admin bootstrapping Hooks major update * Introduce Addon certification * Modularisation of Testimonials Page * Update Admin boxes * Introduce new TEMPLATE handling  * Update installation procedure Update Bootstrap BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In December 2019;
    Update Sage Pay Module Update Schema Manufacturers Update Hooks More Admin bootstrapping Liberalise SQL queries  * Update Dashboard Modules  Introduce Autoloader * Hook Reviews Update LIbrary domains  Refactor Admin Login Introduce Admin Autoloader  * Update Fontawesome Hook Admin Column BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In January 2020;
    More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars & link More Security Checks Restyle Invoice/Packingslip Hooked Invoice/Packingslip Update Hooks page Default Image functionality  * Update installer Selectable address labels  * Updated 20yr old country list BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In February 2020;
    Update email class  * More Admin bootstrapping Refactor Hooks for pipelining * Introduce system files * Introduce customer data mods * Introduce checkout modules * Convert Braintree to an App Hooked Printable Pages Introduce MATC * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In March 2020;
    Block Form processing by Hook/App * Introduce GDPR * Modularise Create Account Success * Introduce Advert Manager * Introduce Notification Modules * Introduce new Gallery system Update for Apache 2.4 Add Hook to infobox class Prepare Switchable templates * More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars Introduce Advert Class * Introduce PI product layout * Update FontAwesome Introduce page selector * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements So far In April 2020;
    Add Sample Data Update session variables Autostart pipelined hooks * Update page selector module usage New PI modules * Nickname Reviews Update checkout Update jQuery Extend Testimonial Hooks BUG Fixes and other minor improvements You will see some of the items above are in bold.  This is new functionality.
    You will see some of the items above have a red star (*).  This is IMPORTANT new functionality.
    All of the above has been done to modernise osCommerce and allow addon makers to make addons that change no (or very little) core code.
    By doing this, shopowners have a much easier life.  If shopowners have a much easier life, developers have a much a easier life.  You can see the circle joining.
    So, I refute your claim that Matt and I (and others) have wasted our time and effort.  I refute your claim that the above is useless.
    While the above was happening over the months, we gained 63 supporters from July until now.  1 supporter pays for 1 hour of coding time.  Do you believe that all of the above has been done in 63 hours?  I know that I have put in hundreds of unpaid hours since July, and I suspect Matt is the same.  The same goes for raiwa and brockleyjohn - unpaid hours devoted to their addons, yet able to find time to help out giving hours to core code.
    To those absolutely brilliant 63 supporters, you know that you guys allowed (and are allowing) Phoenix to fly high and by extension keeping osCommerce on life support.  To the others who have not yet been able or willing to start supporting...or just did not realise what it takes to run something the size of Phoenix...perhaps this post opened your eyes.
    I'll end with two images;


    which shows that Matt and I, between us, have about 1650 contributions in 18 months.  That number excludes;
    all the time and effort spent answer questions and giving support here at the forum and by email. all the spam busting we have to do all the times we have to read abuse and idiotic comments by PM, email, and in this forum all the other modules that we give away for free and the support that this takes and most importantly, our actual real life jobs that we have Maybe this post has opened a few eyes as to the reality of the situation we find ourselves in???
    You can either continue on as you are and end up not being a part of anything, or you can change the path you are walking on and support Matt and myself over the coming months and years.  Open your eyes, and start thinking outside your little bubble.
  13. Like
    burt got a reaction from bonbec in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    And, I apologise, I forgot to mention all the people who have performed testing of new features and new ideas (some of which were just plain dumb ideas so never made into core code).    You guys giving up your valuable time allowed us to move on with implementing things into core code.
    To all these people I say, publically, THANK YOU. 
    You guys hopefully know who you are as I tried my best to give thanks at the time.
  14. Like
    burt got a reaction from bonbec in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    Let's have a little think on this (so called) useless work that "the team" (I suppose that is me ? and lately Matt ?) has done. 
    Everything we do has a purpose and if (speaking for myself only), I truly believed that most shopowners think as you do, that would be the day I quit.
    In July 2019;
    Pre Placed Shopside Hooks * Manufacturers Class File and usage thereof * Pre Placed Admin Hooks * Split Installer Updated sample products Updated Navbar system Updated jQuery Extra Security Checks * New Phoenix Logo made by external graphic designer Reconfigured Version Checker to tie into main osCommerce website Get rid of php5.3 specific code  Update to Stock Check system Modularize Cart Page  * Update codebase to php7.3 and testing of all pages/modules etc fix gzip system Removal of defunct 3rd party modules Update FontAwesome to v5 and change to new FA system of naming across files Update Navbar BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In August 2019;
    Standardise Product Listing Layout  * Remove broken Grid/List feature Update Sort By Update FontAwesome Update Data Attributes Remove Reviews page Introduce Review Modules * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In September 2019;
    Update FontAwesome Limit Reviews to Verified Purchasers * Introduce Password Forgotten Module Introduce flexibility to Product Listings * Update Hook system  Remove Defunct modules Restyle and update Checkout Tunnel * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In October 2019;
    Flexible Icon Display Show Inactive Modules  Remove Cache System Update admin Categories for Hooking, Tabbing * Start Bootstrap Admin Remove broken Banner System Add Form Injection  BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In November 2019;
    Remove broken Social Bookmarks System More Admin bootstrapping Hooks major update * Introduce Addon certification * Modularisation of Testimonials Page * Update Admin boxes * Introduce new TEMPLATE handling  * Update installation procedure Update Bootstrap BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In December 2019;
    Update Sage Pay Module Update Schema Manufacturers Update Hooks More Admin bootstrapping Liberalise SQL queries  * Update Dashboard Modules  Introduce Autoloader * Hook Reviews Update LIbrary domains  Refactor Admin Login Introduce Admin Autoloader  * Update Fontawesome Hook Admin Column BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In January 2020;
    More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars & link More Security Checks Restyle Invoice/Packingslip Hooked Invoice/Packingslip Update Hooks page Default Image functionality  * Update installer Selectable address labels  * Updated 20yr old country list BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In February 2020;
    Update email class  * More Admin bootstrapping Refactor Hooks for pipelining * Introduce system files * Introduce customer data mods * Introduce checkout modules * Convert Braintree to an App Hooked Printable Pages Introduce MATC * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In March 2020;
    Block Form processing by Hook/App * Introduce GDPR * Modularise Create Account Success * Introduce Advert Manager * Introduce Notification Modules * Introduce new Gallery system Update for Apache 2.4 Add Hook to infobox class Prepare Switchable templates * More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars Introduce Advert Class * Introduce PI product layout * Update FontAwesome Introduce page selector * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements So far In April 2020;
    Add Sample Data Update session variables Autostart pipelined hooks * Update page selector module usage New PI modules * Nickname Reviews Update checkout Update jQuery Extend Testimonial Hooks BUG Fixes and other minor improvements You will see some of the items above are in bold.  This is new functionality.
    You will see some of the items above have a red star (*).  This is IMPORTANT new functionality.
    All of the above has been done to modernise osCommerce and allow addon makers to make addons that change no (or very little) core code.
    By doing this, shopowners have a much easier life.  If shopowners have a much easier life, developers have a much a easier life.  You can see the circle joining.
    So, I refute your claim that Matt and I (and others) have wasted our time and effort.  I refute your claim that the above is useless.
    While the above was happening over the months, we gained 63 supporters from July until now.  1 supporter pays for 1 hour of coding time.  Do you believe that all of the above has been done in 63 hours?  I know that I have put in hundreds of unpaid hours since July, and I suspect Matt is the same.  The same goes for raiwa and brockleyjohn - unpaid hours devoted to their addons, yet able to find time to help out giving hours to core code.
    To those absolutely brilliant 63 supporters, you know that you guys allowed (and are allowing) Phoenix to fly high and by extension keeping osCommerce on life support.  To the others who have not yet been able or willing to start supporting...or just did not realise what it takes to run something the size of Phoenix...perhaps this post opened your eyes.
    I'll end with two images;


    which shows that Matt and I, between us, have about 1650 contributions in 18 months.  That number excludes;
    all the time and effort spent answer questions and giving support here at the forum and by email. all the spam busting we have to do all the times we have to read abuse and idiotic comments by PM, email, and in this forum all the other modules that we give away for free and the support that this takes and most importantly, our actual real life jobs that we have Maybe this post has opened a few eyes as to the reality of the situation we find ourselves in???
    You can either continue on as you are and end up not being a part of anything, or you can change the path you are walking on and support Matt and myself over the coming months and years.  Open your eyes, and start thinking outside your little bubble.
  15. Like
    burt got a reaction from bonbec in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    Let's have a little think on this (so called) useless work that "the team" (I suppose that is me ? and lately Matt ?) has done. 
    Everything we do has a purpose and if (speaking for myself only), I truly believed that most shopowners think as you do, that would be the day I quit.
    In July 2019;
    Pre Placed Shopside Hooks * Manufacturers Class File and usage thereof * Pre Placed Admin Hooks * Split Installer Updated sample products Updated Navbar system Updated jQuery Extra Security Checks * New Phoenix Logo made by external graphic designer Reconfigured Version Checker to tie into main osCommerce website Get rid of php5.3 specific code  Update to Stock Check system Modularize Cart Page  * Update codebase to php7.3 and testing of all pages/modules etc fix gzip system Removal of defunct 3rd party modules Update FontAwesome to v5 and change to new FA system of naming across files Update Navbar BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In August 2019;
    Standardise Product Listing Layout  * Remove broken Grid/List feature Update Sort By Update FontAwesome Update Data Attributes Remove Reviews page Introduce Review Modules * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In September 2019;
    Update FontAwesome Limit Reviews to Verified Purchasers * Introduce Password Forgotten Module Introduce flexibility to Product Listings * Update Hook system  Remove Defunct modules Restyle and update Checkout Tunnel * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In October 2019;
    Flexible Icon Display Show Inactive Modules  Remove Cache System Update admin Categories for Hooking, Tabbing * Start Bootstrap Admin Remove broken Banner System Add Form Injection  BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In November 2019;
    Remove broken Social Bookmarks System More Admin bootstrapping Hooks major update * Introduce Addon certification * Modularisation of Testimonials Page * Update Admin boxes * Introduce new TEMPLATE handling  * Update installation procedure Update Bootstrap BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In December 2019;
    Update Sage Pay Module Update Schema Manufacturers Update Hooks More Admin bootstrapping Liberalise SQL queries  * Update Dashboard Modules  Introduce Autoloader * Hook Reviews Update LIbrary domains  Refactor Admin Login Introduce Admin Autoloader  * Update Fontawesome Hook Admin Column BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In January 2020;
    More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars & link More Security Checks Restyle Invoice/Packingslip Hooked Invoice/Packingslip Update Hooks page Default Image functionality  * Update installer Selectable address labels  * Updated 20yr old country list BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In February 2020;
    Update email class  * More Admin bootstrapping Refactor Hooks for pipelining * Introduce system files * Introduce customer data mods * Introduce checkout modules * Convert Braintree to an App Hooked Printable Pages Introduce MATC * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements In March 2020;
    Block Form processing by Hook/App * Introduce GDPR * Modularise Create Account Success * Introduce Advert Manager * Introduce Notification Modules * Introduce new Gallery system Update for Apache 2.4 Add Hook to infobox class Prepare Switchable templates * More Admin Bootstrapping Review Stars Introduce Advert Class * Introduce PI product layout * Update FontAwesome Introduce page selector * BUG Fixes and other minor improvements So far In April 2020;
    Add Sample Data Update session variables Autostart pipelined hooks * Update page selector module usage New PI modules * Nickname Reviews Update checkout Update jQuery Extend Testimonial Hooks BUG Fixes and other minor improvements You will see some of the items above are in bold.  This is new functionality.
    You will see some of the items above have a red star (*).  This is IMPORTANT new functionality.
    All of the above has been done to modernise osCommerce and allow addon makers to make addons that change no (or very little) core code.
    By doing this, shopowners have a much easier life.  If shopowners have a much easier life, developers have a much a easier life.  You can see the circle joining.
    So, I refute your claim that Matt and I (and others) have wasted our time and effort.  I refute your claim that the above is useless.
    While the above was happening over the months, we gained 63 supporters from July until now.  1 supporter pays for 1 hour of coding time.  Do you believe that all of the above has been done in 63 hours?  I know that I have put in hundreds of unpaid hours since July, and I suspect Matt is the same.  The same goes for raiwa and brockleyjohn - unpaid hours devoted to their addons, yet able to find time to help out giving hours to core code.
    To those absolutely brilliant 63 supporters, you know that you guys allowed (and are allowing) Phoenix to fly high and by extension keeping osCommerce on life support.  To the others who have not yet been able or willing to start supporting...or just did not realise what it takes to run something the size of Phoenix...perhaps this post opened your eyes.
    I'll end with two images;


    which shows that Matt and I, between us, have about 1650 contributions in 18 months.  That number excludes;
    all the time and effort spent answer questions and giving support here at the forum and by email. all the spam busting we have to do all the times we have to read abuse and idiotic comments by PM, email, and in this forum all the other modules that we give away for free and the support that this takes and most importantly, our actual real life jobs that we have Maybe this post has opened a few eyes as to the reality of the situation we find ourselves in???
    You can either continue on as you are and end up not being a part of anything, or you can change the path you are walking on and support Matt and myself over the coming months and years.  Open your eyes, and start thinking outside your little bubble.
  16. Like
    burt got a reaction from 14steve14 in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    It's sad to see such negativity emanating from certain posters.  The snide comments, the PM messages, the emails, the fake likes.  It's tiresome.
  17. Like
    burt got a reaction from cdetdi in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    If every shopowner put in 25% the effort/time/money that you do Corey, Phoenix could employ people to perform upgrades and testing.   We'd be golden.
    But instead we have 60 businesses who have put into the pot over the last 10 months - subsidising hundreds of other businesses, so there is no money to do much of anything.
    And people like the previous poster, who just post utter nonsense.
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    burt reacted to azpro in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    You mean the culture that meant:  No serious developers around ... no serious businesses around ... not maintaining code even to a point where severe security risks might occur ... no plan ... no effort ... no future for oSC ....
    Ask yourself what might be the reason ... you could also ask yourself why others carts are succesful ... to me it is pretty clear - because they have an eco-system that pays the bills ..... but I might be wrong - perhaps the best developers gave their time for free and got food from the community ....🤔
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    burt got a reaction from mariolensa in Lost styling in Catalog   
    Groundhog Day  
    https://forums.oscommerce.com/topic/408957-i-have-lost-all-the-css-styling-in-my-shop/
    Same problem...should be same solution...
  20. Like
    burt reacted to 14steve14 in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    Its not free because of only the coders. Its free because a very limited number of store owners and developers, have invested in the project financially so the coders can keep coding. If everyone subscribed to the theory that nothing is for free and contributed, then the project would be far further forward than it is now. Of the hundreds of users on this forum only a small proportion feel the need to keep the project moving forward whilst others sit back, criticise and moan. If they are not happy why are they using this software? We have no idea, but probably because they get something for nothing that earns them money. We all cannot expect coders to invest their time into a project which is freely given away without being able to at least get a meagre sum for their time work and experience. They could be doing fully paid work if they choose. Nobody works for nothing.
    No its not. Everyone can download the code for free from this site or from Github. What people cant get is what they don't deserve. Non contributors get the basic code base, whilst those that contribute get something back for their contribution. Its those that contribute and get the updated code early that are doing all the testing that is required before a release is made to the core files that are available to download from this site, which everyone can download. It really is that simple. Contribute and get rewarded for doing so. Its not difficult. Some should be thankful that they get what they already get. it could and should change in the future. Change the record and stop whining.
  21. Like
    burt got a reaction from 14steve14 in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    It's sad to see such negativity emanating from certain posters.  The snide comments, the PM messages, the emails, the fake likes.  It's tiresome.
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    burt got a reaction from kurtvandusen in Trouble with user.css on Phoenix   
    Big up to @BrockleyJohn who did all the investigating and all the fixing.  TY John.
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    burt got a reaction from nedragdnuos in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    My suggestion;  make a new thread laying out your concerns so that they can be addressed. 
    I would prefer that you do that in the club (so that it is easier for me to reply without getting dragged into "drama" that some users like to create, but it's up to you).
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    burt got a reaction from Mort-lemur in Increase Shipping Weights via SQL   
    update products set products_weight = 1.1 where products_weight < 1; You might like to take a backup of the products table (in phpmyadmin) prior to doing so.
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    burt got a reaction from ecartz in From Frozen to Phoenix   
    I'm constantly surprised and sometimes astonished at the words that come out of shopowners...
    What you guys are implying is that it is too much work to apply a 1 or 2 or 5 or 10 minute upgrade to your shop, because you have used addons that change core code or may break.  Would that be a fair assessment?
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