OK, here we go with exactly how much of a noob I am... Assume you remove the slashes to uncomment. Tried and no change. Also, tried removing and reinstalling without luck. The mother of all stupid questions, how to debug? I understand, I think, that I need to make sure the php.ini file has error tracking on and think I've found code I can paste in but should errors be saved in a particular log file or do I need to run this through something else? Please understand I'm the business owner, somewhat tech comfortable, and we had to get rid of programmer because this has been such a mess. Now trying to fix all the things he left messed up. While I'm at it, thread hijack, how do I change landing page text? The *.php page has a bunch of placeholder gibberish where our text is supposed to be. If html understand just open the file and copy/paste but the text isn't in the php file though it does show when I do a view source. Sorry for the hijack and if it isn't a quick easy answer no problem. Thanks for the help so far.