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[Foayiid]

Hi all,

I'm following the latest news on :
- this forum (http://forums.oscommerce.com/)
- on the github (https://github.com/osCommerce/oscommerce/)
- and on the blog (http://blogs.oscommerce.com/)

and I just want to know if it is possible to get some news about the team development work as one goes along.
It will be really great for the OSC community to have few informations about the focusing of the team.
Not a long page of blog but a small thread or reply on this blog will be perfect !

Kind regards.
Fred

[burt]

It's gone quiet.
No answer to questions here, no activity on github.
No answers or updates on twitter.

After the fanfare a month ago and the already broken promises
about the future of osCommerce, it's disappointing for the
community to be ignored.

[Foayiid]

Nice to see that I'm not alone ...

[multimixer]

Well, there was some progress: The "roadmap for April" became "roadmap for 2011". Next step will be "roadmap for 21st century" or something. Or maybe an automated function, to say "roadmap for ..." like the "new products for ..."

But seriously, the truth is that, as Gary say, after the big tam tam about version 3, after countdowns, after a week of presence at the forum, here is nothing, silence, zero ! Just some proforma logins to update the activity status, and that's all.

It's not only about disappointment Gary, it' not just about being ignored, the community I mean. It is about responsibility.

Somebody could say that there is no obligation or the team to develop anything, no obligation for the users to use osCommerce, it's also free, nobody paid a cent to use it, so if you like it use it, if not move on. That's true.

But an other truth is that people, osCommerce users, store owners and developers, invested, and keep investing, something maybe much more valuable into this software: Their time.

And if even a single one decided to start or keep using osCommerce because of that loudly announced promises, then yes, then there is an obligation too for the team, to keep that promises. And to go secretly and silently to replace "april" with "2011" is not keeping a promise

The promise for a new version, going around for a couple of years now, is not done with making a developers playground, name it number 3 and release it, letting people take it in the wrong belief they are downloading a working webstore software. There is not a simple notice on the download page that this version 3 is not working in real conditions.

I'm not saying this all in bad meaning and no offense please but, please, team members, do something, wake up !

Edited by multimixer, 27 May 2011, 14:09.

[osccoder]

multimixer, on 27 May 2011, 14:03, said:

Well, there was some progress: The "roadmap for April" became "roadmap for 2011". Next step will be "roadmap for 21st century" or something. Or maybe an automated function, to say "roadmap for ..." like the "new products for ..."

But seriously, the truth is that, as Gary say, after the big tam tam about version 3, after countdowns, after a week of presence at the forum, here is nothing, silence, zero ! Just some proforma logins to update the activity status, and that's all.

It's not only about disappointment Gary, it' not just about being ignored, the community I mean. It is about responsibility.

Somebody could say that there is no obligation or the team to develop anything, no obligation for the users to use osCommerce, it's also free, nobody paid a cent to use it, so if you like it use it, if not move on. That's true.

But an other truth is that people, osCommerce users, store owners and developers, invested, and keep investing, something maybe much more valuable into this software: Their time.

And if even a single one decided to start or keep using osCommerce because of that loudly announced promises, then yes, then there is an obligation too for the team, to keep that promises. And to go secretly and silently to replace "april" with "2011" is not keeping a promise

The promise for a new version, going around for a couple of years now, is not done with making a developers playground, name it number 3 and release it, letting people take it in the wrong belief they are downloading a working webstore software. There is not a simple notice on the download page that this version 3 is not working in real conditions.

I'm not saying this all in bad meaning and no offense please but, please, team members, do something, wake up !


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OK - yes the developers have gone silent -- but frankly I understand why as a coder myself -- you need to concentrate upon the job and for all those in our community who do not truly understand what was accomplished here:
This new framework is awesome! This milestone is like Apple's grand step to Unix from Mac or from SnowLeopard to Lion, with only a few coders -- The core team!

This milestone achieved will outflank -- Zen Cart, OpenCart, Magento and most if not all other e-commerce systems!!
Why -- because this milestone reached will allow MANY MANY people to add to the system WHEN its documentation and base core functions are completed and released ---

The thing that saddens me is the core team has poor communication skills, but it does not lessen what they have built.
Yes, the hype for the framework to an audience who really does NOT understand what was built and released was ludicrous.
My own disappointment was not having the new graphic front end system documented or explained somewhere so I can port over all of my sites graphics to the new system to wait and wait and wait... --
So, if anyone knows were Harald or others documented the front end template system do tell, i.e. templates via STS are gone, where is the new system and how does it work?

Anyway,
The Core Team's ability to delegate and bring other coders on board is lacking, but this too I understand --
any osc coder will need to fully understand object oriented PHP coding and all new constructs to "get it"; thus osc needs specific talent at this stage of development to help them build this new 21st century system.

The only solace is this new framework will allow additions to be added faster and faster with releases due to the framework's design.
Check out the update system we never had until now -- how slick is that for an application -- can ANY other e-commerce system out there do that?

Yes, we have to wait and wait and wait -- but as a coder I fully understand what they are building - I cannot wait until it is in final form!!
{Expect another 6 months at minimum before the world is blown away --- IF the core team is truly working on the system as they stated.
They too could have gone on a month vacation to recharge themselves from not sleeping to complete the first step ...}

Be well all...

[kymation]

Did nobody notice the upload of Version 3.0.2 today? Strange how the people who were complaining about the lack of updates have all gone silent.

Regards
Jim

[vistaxp2]

kymation, on 07 August 2011, 05:20, said:

Did nobody notice the upload of Version 3.0.2 today? Strange how the people who were complaining about the lack of updates have all gone silent.

Regards
Jim

This topic was 2 months ago and you want replies within a day of the release. Of course its going to be silent, they probably left the board because it took forever.

If you read the posts above, it not just about getting a newer build theirs practically zero feedback from the team that built it. No news on what's going on, it just wait and wallah, a new build.

Don't get me wrong, this oscommerce is great and appreciate the work you put into it, but the timeframe and management really is downhill.


P.S to admin / mods - I don't care if you ban me, revoke my posting privileges, or delete my post like you did with my previous account. This is truth so don't hate on me for telling it.

Edited by Jan Zonjee, 08 August 2011, 21:02.

[Foayiid]

... and maybe some people are in holiday in august !!!
So few can follow the github and the forum moves on their smartphone but nothin else matter ...

Edited by Foayiid, 08 August 2011, 15:53.