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#1   gamesxs

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:24

Hi all, only been 2 years since I was on here, life changes etc!
Anyway, was asked by my sister to make a site for her, no problem I thought, download oscommerce and sorted, how wrong was I!!!!

So in the past have used oscommerce but am not a programmer or a professional website builder, just a bloke who likes to learn!

Got version 2.3.1
Installed it
Thought I would change it!

Wrong.

Searched this forum for answers, love you all but 2.3.1 is hugely different!

You will now have new members completely lost, they will search for the basics and try to find such things as column_left files etc, which don't exist!
Your basic old help forum chats will not now help new people. I thought that I must have forgotten loads so I re-read all the basic question files.
No help for 2.3.1 to start with!

I thought this cant be right, so searched more, Burt solved things but he doesn't know it. (thanks Burt)

When to his site and he spoke about a thing called 960 grid?????

Searched for 960 grid, found it, learnt a bit. Without finding about this I could never, if completely new, had any chance with 2.3.1

Burt thanks. (was going to buy a template from you but because of your teaching on your site, wont need to.)

So, 960 grid..
Start off I would like to say that there is no column left or right files. These are now modules.

2.3.1 has 24 columns ( again search for 960 grid, it will tell you 12 or 16, but you can have 24)
The body content of oscommerce has 16 columns.( index.php)and is pushed right by 4 columns
The categories boxes have 4 columns.(and are controlled mainly by template top, template bottom, header, footer)
Not completely true but a place to start.


The setup of this is:
The container is how large your site can be, it is 960 pixels wide.

container_24 (all rows must add up to 24 columns), a column is called a grid. Therefore grid_5 means 5 columns.
All numbers below are pixels
there is a margin of 5 pixels either side.
grid_
1. 30
2. 70
3. 110
4. 150
5. 190
6. 230
7. 270
8. 310
9. 350
10. 390
11. 430
12. 470
13. 510
14. 550
15. 590
16. 630
17. 670
18. 710
19. 750
20. 790
21. 830
22. 870
23. 910
24. 950


You can push and pull objects, so left and right, these also have a pixel value:

push right pull left
push_then number
or
pull_then number

1. 40 -40
2. 80 -80
3. 120 -120
4. 160 -160
5. 200 -200
6. 240 -240
7. 280 -280
8. 320 -320
9. 360 -360
10. 400 -400
11. 440 -440
12. 480 -480
13. 520 -520
14. 560 -560
15. 600 -600
16. 640 -640
17. 680 -680
18. 720 -720
19. 760 -760
20. 800 -800
21. 840 -840
22. 880 -880
23. 920 -920

More things:

prefix-5 (leave blank 5 columns before object) etc.
suffix_2 (leave blank 2 columns after object) etc.

nested grid units.
alpha and omega class.

alpha ("first") and omega ("last") classes that must be applied to any grid units that are the
children of other grids.
Obviously, the alpha class will be applied to the first child and the omega class to the last child.
Essentially, these classes provide a margin fix so that you can nest grid units inside of other grid units.

I know that I have not explained this well but I am only now learning it. But I hope it helps.

2.3.1 is different to the version I knew, and I think it needs a different forum.
if I had the faintest clue regarding exactly what it was that I may or may not be doing, I would stop it!!

#2   gamesxs

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:48

Also, as I can find, to change colours of info boxes, you need to change things in:

catalog/ext/jquery/ui/redmond/jquery-ui-1.8.6.css (some of these are images)

Difficult for new users!!!!!!!!!
if I had the faintest clue regarding exactly what it was that I may or may not be doing, I would stop it!!

#3 ONLINE   kymation

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:38

Changing the colors should be done by creating a new theme using Themeroller and installing it, not by hacking up the Redmond theme. This needs better documentation, and possible some automation. Hmmm.....

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#4 ONLINE   burt

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 10:18

I thought this cant be right, so searched more, Burt solved things but he doesn't know it. (thanks Burt)

When to his site and he spoke about a thing called 960 grid?????

Searched for 960 grid, found it, learnt a bit. Without finding about this I could never, if completely new, had any chance with 2.3.1

Burt thanks.


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(was going to buy a template from you but because of your teaching on your site, wont need to.)


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2.3.1 is different to the version I knew, and I think it needs a different forum.


GOOD idea!
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#5   Xpajun

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 10:29

GOOD idea!


Agreed!!

#6   m4w29c

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 20:04

Agreed!!


Speaking as one of those newbies, I agree whole heartedly! Having a heck of a time learning the ropes...

That said, the members have been VERY helpful!!!

#7   tonymatt

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 00:27

Yep, trying to learn this new design. The concept seems fine but we need some kind of basic guidance to get started. What I think may work best is a visual of the grid. If we could see the grid in some type of image I think anybody who gets started on 2.3.1 will absolutely get s quicker grasp.

#8 ONLINE   kymation

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 01:43

You can use the 960 Gridder bookmarklet to overlay a grid on your page.

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#9   tonymatt

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 01:48

I thought the 960 was an osc thing. Thank you for the help, much appreciated.