Greetings, Ali…
If you wish to harass, belittle and attempt to diminish other forum members, you should start your own thread.
Who are you to decide the amount of anything, let alone server space is to be used by anyone.
If you and others wish to design, their websites to conform to “Google” Webmasters School so be it. Many of the rest of us will do it as we conceive to be correct.
There are those among us that don’t design to only one browser or even two browsers, but rather to cross platform.
Wannabe’s that can’t write code correctly, or can’t understand the W3C errors and warnings, continually denigrate that which they can’t deal with.
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So, Bill says to John. “I’m building a house. John replies,” Where?”
“On my lot replies, Bill”.
John questions, “On that foundation the day laborers poured”?
“Yes, say’s Bill”.
John, protests, “But the foundation hasn’t been inspected!”
“Hogwash, says, Bill… Those inspectors don’t know anything.”
The rules and regulations are stupid and after the house is built, the problems won’t show. No one will know the difference!”
“Besides, I will sell the house to some sucker and let them deal with it.”
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I may add. Who are you to decide what I am to write in my thread,
Who I am to greet or whether I am to enjoy myself or not.
I do not miss anything intentionally, such as you have.
In addition, I have not guaranteed anything.
Your lack of understanding for the use of salutations, Shows just how ignorant you are.
Considering your attempt to dictate to others concerning their conduct on their own threads is uncalled for.
Your rude arrogance is found to be repulsive.
Regards, Robert
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#22
Posted 11 November 2009, 01:27
Flaming is a hostile and insulting post or reply directed towards a forum member.
A hostile forum user typically generates a flame response to other posts or users posting on a site, in an attempt to dictate and force their point and/or their way of life on others.
Such a response is not constructive, does not clarify a discussion, and does not persuade others.
Generally, flamers intervene in an attempt to assert their authority, or establish a position of superiority over other users and actually influence only their cronies and click members.
What they reveal are their own shortcomings.
They call for support by email to their gang and email congratulations to one another.
They turn forum members away from themselves and their non-productive conduct.
Judge for yourselves...
Regards, Robert
A hostile forum user typically generates a flame response to other posts or users posting on a site, in an attempt to dictate and force their point and/or their way of life on others.
Such a response is not constructive, does not clarify a discussion, and does not persuade others.
Generally, flamers intervene in an attempt to assert their authority, or establish a position of superiority over other users and actually influence only their cronies and click members.
What they reveal are their own shortcomings.
They call for support by email to their gang and email congratulations to one another.
They turn forum members away from themselves and their non-productive conduct.
Judge for yourselves...
Regards, Robert
Your identity is a figment of your imagination…
#23
Posted 15 November 2009, 02:10
aligp, on 09 November 2009, 23:12, said:
w3c validation has little to do with seo or ranking. Google staff on their blog has given this question a resounding NO, which you have intentionally missed. W3C sets up web page coding standard but unfortunately not all browser makers follow these standard, eg, MS IE (tho some improvement recently as seen in IE8). A web page is a good page as long as it show up correctly on visitors pc screen, which does not necessarily comply with W3C standards, in fact, you have to bend the rules to make it render correctly on some versions of browers. So, until W3C starts making browsers and lobbying the united nations to pass resolution to ban all others but W3C to make browsers, you can't guarantee 100% a W3C validated web page will show up correctly on every brand and version of browsers. Further more, google or the like does not go out crawling website using W3C validator, they have their unique and clever way of "reading" web pages to extract the info or data they want.
I totally agree. W3C validation is a non issue in regards to search engine optimization.
#24
Posted 15 November 2009, 04:10
Greetings, Crimble…
Thank you for your input. Of course, you are referring to any and all Search engines…
Common knowledge states that there “Pros and Cons” to every issue.
No doubt, the Nay Sayers will find comfort in your agreement and support, while thanking you for your vote.
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On the pro side. There are many, such as myself, who are well aware of their shortcomings.
Realizing we are not error free, but preferring to begin our site cleaned up as much as possible before we begin the task of SEO.
We use a validator.
The major complaint against using a validator is that they have “Bugs”.
Using that complaint, many of us would then find it necessary to shut down our computers while we search for a user interface to replace MSWindows.
There are those that say dirty, bloated, poorly written code has no bearing on anything. Just as long as the page looks OK and the links work.
Some of us (probably many) prefer not to take a chance and will take every measure to present error free code to the crawlers.
This is especially true of those among us that are unwilling to build our site solely on the criteria provided by “Google”.
It is clearly understood that “Google” dominates. Some may wonder if this is a good thing. Who is it that wants to be dominated?
Some may comment, ”Well ‘Facebook’, won’t validate”.
So, OK, then get your diploma from the University of Facebook.
I have been using the assets provided by the W3C for over 9 years and they have never caused me problems of which I am aware.
The quip, when the W3C makes browses is ludicrous. Akin to when orange trees grow apples I will make a pie!
The W3C formulates the languages that the browsers read.
Best Regards, Robert
Thank you for your input. Of course, you are referring to any and all Search engines…
Common knowledge states that there “Pros and Cons” to every issue.
No doubt, the Nay Sayers will find comfort in your agreement and support, while thanking you for your vote.
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On the pro side. There are many, such as myself, who are well aware of their shortcomings.
Realizing we are not error free, but preferring to begin our site cleaned up as much as possible before we begin the task of SEO.
We use a validator.
The major complaint against using a validator is that they have “Bugs”.
Using that complaint, many of us would then find it necessary to shut down our computers while we search for a user interface to replace MSWindows.
There are those that say dirty, bloated, poorly written code has no bearing on anything. Just as long as the page looks OK and the links work.
Some of us (probably many) prefer not to take a chance and will take every measure to present error free code to the crawlers.
This is especially true of those among us that are unwilling to build our site solely on the criteria provided by “Google”.
It is clearly understood that “Google” dominates. Some may wonder if this is a good thing. Who is it that wants to be dominated?
Some may comment, ”Well ‘Facebook’, won’t validate”.
So, OK, then get your diploma from the University of Facebook.
I have been using the assets provided by the W3C for over 9 years and they have never caused me problems of which I am aware.
The quip, when the W3C makes browses is ludicrous. Akin to when orange trees grow apples I will make a pie!
The W3C formulates the languages that the browsers read.
Best Regards, Robert
Your identity is a figment of your imagination…
#25
Posted 16 November 2009, 00:16
Greetings, Fellow Forum Members
Personal attacks have successfully disrupted this thread. Causing difficulty in following and taking advantage of the original posting which offers those interested, Internet based assets offered by the “World Wide Web Consortium”, The W3C.
These attacks appear to be attempts to coerce readers to act or think in a certain way by using pressure by way of displaying intimidation of the author.
I will now re-post this thread in a revised and edited form.
Since the naysayers have already voted, there will be no reason for them to interrupt.
Regards, Robert
Personal attacks have successfully disrupted this thread. Causing difficulty in following and taking advantage of the original posting which offers those interested, Internet based assets offered by the “World Wide Web Consortium”, The W3C.
These attacks appear to be attempts to coerce readers to act or think in a certain way by using pressure by way of displaying intimidation of the author.
I will now re-post this thread in a revised and edited form.
Since the naysayers have already voted, there will be no reason for them to interrupt.
Regards, Robert
Your identity is a figment of your imagination…
#27
Posted 16 November 2009, 13:36
Hello, Inkddin, Welcome to the Forum, and thank you reading the thread and for your positive reply.
I would say offhand yours is the only positive input I have received in this forum.
Your statement “Nice Post” surprised me. I suppose that the spelling was good enough, but no doubt, my antipathy towards negative input with out equanimity dominated.
I would hope that if disagreement on a subject that may be of value to a web author arises in a thread, that those who detract by attempting to minimize the author and discount the subject matter, would revise their tactics.
In addition, pass on to the forum member’s, information that is supportive to the growth of our members as to develop one's skills.
Positive input and not negative personal attacks is what is called for.
Best Regards, and thanks again, Robert
I would say offhand yours is the only positive input I have received in this forum.
Your statement “Nice Post” surprised me. I suppose that the spelling was good enough, but no doubt, my antipathy towards negative input with out equanimity dominated.
I would hope that if disagreement on a subject that may be of value to a web author arises in a thread, that those who detract by attempting to minimize the author and discount the subject matter, would revise their tactics.
In addition, pass on to the forum member’s, information that is supportive to the growth of our members as to develop one's skills.
Positive input and not negative personal attacks is what is called for.
Best Regards, and thanks again, Robert
Your identity is a figment of your imagination…
#28
Posted 26 November 2009, 18:43
Greetings, Ali
Thank you for your input.
OK, so you’re a “Googleite”, babbling on with your “Googleisms”.
If you want to base, your Internet life on “Google”, I do not interfere or comment.
Why are you trying to force others to your way of doing things?
Start your own thread if you want to harass other members…
Best Regards, Robert
Thank you for your input.
OK, so you’re a “Googleite”, babbling on with your “Googleisms”.
If you want to base, your Internet life on “Google”, I do not interfere or comment.
Why are you trying to force others to your way of doing things?
Start your own thread if you want to harass other members…
Best Regards, Robert
Like a man walking alone and in darkness. I move slowly and with circumspection, so that should I stumble I will not fall…
#29
Posted 28 November 2009, 15:27
aligp, on 09 November 2009, 23:12, said:
A web page is a good page as long as it show up correctly on visitors pc screen, which does not necessarily comply with W3C standards, in fact, you have to bend the rules to make it render correctly on some versions of browers. So, until W3C starts making browsers and lobbying the united nations to pass resolution to ban all others but W3C to make browsers, you can't guarantee 100% a W3C validated web page will show up correctly on every brand and version of browsers.
Ali
Ali
I totally agree.
On Google, nowadays anybody not wishing to comply with them had better get off the net altogether.
#30
Posted 28 November 2009, 20:46
Greetings, Isabella…
Thank you for your input.
I’m 100% for freedom for the individual to do as they please within the law.
I have never met a person that is flawless and error free.
Anyone who wants to write code and stylesheets without validation is none of my business.
My thread is addressed to those who do want error free coding.
This is the statement issued by the W3C.
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is an international community where Member organizations, a full-time staff, and the public work together to develop Web standards. Led by Web inventor Tim Berners-Lee, W3C's mission is to lead the Web to its full potential.
The W3C has little to do with designing and issuing browsers.
For those that do not understand the W3C mission or wish to know more go to this page. http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-all
The W3C invented the markup language for the Internet.
Including, but not limited to.
HTML & CSS
HTML and CSS are the fundamental technologies for building Web pages: HTML (html and xhtml) for structure, CSS for style and layout. Find resources for good Web page design as well as helpful tools.
Scripting:
Standard APIs for client-side Web Application development.
XML Essentials XML Technologies including XML, XML Namespaces, XML Schema, XSLT, Efficient XML Interchange (EXI), and other related standards.
Virtually everything that “Google”, and you and every other web author use to navigate the Internet was designed by the W3C.
When HTML moves to a new, standard it is by the W3C. When CSS moves to a new, standard it is by the W3C.
Simply misunderstanding the W3C does not erase the reality of tremendous extent of influence the W3C has had and continues to exert on the Internet.
Be assured that, “Google” would not exist but for the W3C.
I have heard complaints that software issued by the W3C has bugs, and therefore is no good. (By the way the applications are all free), Tell me then what software is bug free when first released?
Many others and I are determined to write error free coding.
We will surely ignore negative input exhorting web authors to ignore the endeavor to achieve perfection…
Once again thank you for your input.
Best Regards, Robert
Thank you for your input.
I’m 100% for freedom for the individual to do as they please within the law.
I have never met a person that is flawless and error free.
Anyone who wants to write code and stylesheets without validation is none of my business.
My thread is addressed to those who do want error free coding.
This is the statement issued by the W3C.
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is an international community where Member organizations, a full-time staff, and the public work together to develop Web standards. Led by Web inventor Tim Berners-Lee, W3C's mission is to lead the Web to its full potential.
The W3C has little to do with designing and issuing browsers.
For those that do not understand the W3C mission or wish to know more go to this page. http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-all
The W3C invented the markup language for the Internet.
Including, but not limited to.
HTML & CSS
HTML and CSS are the fundamental technologies for building Web pages: HTML (html and xhtml) for structure, CSS for style and layout. Find resources for good Web page design as well as helpful tools.
Scripting:
Standard APIs for client-side Web Application development.
XML Essentials XML Technologies including XML, XML Namespaces, XML Schema, XSLT, Efficient XML Interchange (EXI), and other related standards.
Virtually everything that “Google”, and you and every other web author use to navigate the Internet was designed by the W3C.
When HTML moves to a new, standard it is by the W3C. When CSS moves to a new, standard it is by the W3C.
Simply misunderstanding the W3C does not erase the reality of tremendous extent of influence the W3C has had and continues to exert on the Internet.
Be assured that, “Google” would not exist but for the W3C.
I have heard complaints that software issued by the W3C has bugs, and therefore is no good. (By the way the applications are all free), Tell me then what software is bug free when first released?
Many others and I are determined to write error free coding.
We will surely ignore negative input exhorting web authors to ignore the endeavor to achieve perfection…
Once again thank you for your input.
Best Regards, Robert
Like a man walking alone and in darkness. I move slowly and with circumspection, so that should I stumble I will not fall…
#31
Posted 28 November 2009, 22:28
Greetings to you Robert aka Sandaleer aka delta_blues,
you are of course free to aim at a 100% WC3 validated page, I for one will keep following Jack's (Jack_mcs) advice on SEO methods simply because I have had first hand proof of their efficiency.
You stated that:
If that were true, how come a site like microsoft has 295 errors, and still about 4,000,000 indexed pages and a PR of 9?
That proves that a valid mark up isn't a priority.
you are of course free to aim at a 100% WC3 validated page, I for one will keep following Jack's (Jack_mcs) advice on SEO methods simply because I have had first hand proof of their efficiency.
You stated that:
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If there are HTML and CSS errors on your website, acceptable ranking will be difficult to achieve.
That proves that a valid mark up isn't a priority.
#32
Posted 28 November 2009, 22:48
Hello, Isabella...
Error free code is an obvious foundation. If you don't care about your coding, why bother with this thread?
You have made it clear that you do not wish to write clean code. Why try to hinder those who do?
What is proved is that Visitor traffic, aids in ranking, which we don't have and MS does...
When one has millions of customers and clients which have no idea what coding is and don't care, and a staff of thousands, one can write as they please.
In the mean time, many of us who are in this forum trying to do the best we can will strive for a perfect source code.
I don't know if you realize that members are here because they are amateurs, seeking knowledge and information.
To try to convince them that it's OK to slop out fodder for hogs is a major disservice to all of us.
it would benefit all of us to be encouraged to post an error free website.
The protests concerning an effort to write error free coding is perplexing. I never dreamed that anyone would advocate that!
The old saying applies... "Live and Learn"
Best Regards Robert
Oh, yes, I have multiple accounts, so as not to confuse the issues with separate and very different stores. As I build new stores I will setup an account for each.
Error free code is an obvious foundation. If you don't care about your coding, why bother with this thread?
You have made it clear that you do not wish to write clean code. Why try to hinder those who do?
What is proved is that Visitor traffic, aids in ranking, which we don't have and MS does...
When one has millions of customers and clients which have no idea what coding is and don't care, and a staff of thousands, one can write as they please.
In the mean time, many of us who are in this forum trying to do the best we can will strive for a perfect source code.
I don't know if you realize that members are here because they are amateurs, seeking knowledge and information.
To try to convince them that it's OK to slop out fodder for hogs is a major disservice to all of us.
it would benefit all of us to be encouraged to post an error free website.
The protests concerning an effort to write error free coding is perplexing. I never dreamed that anyone would advocate that!
The old saying applies... "Live and Learn"
Best Regards Robert
Oh, yes, I have multiple accounts, so as not to confuse the issues with separate and very different stores. As I build new stores I will setup an account for each.
Your identity is a figment of your imagination…
#33
Posted 29 November 2009, 10:14
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What is proved is that Visitor traffic, aids in ranking, which we don't have and MS does...
...which in turn proves that 295 errors on a page don't damage ranking, much less traffic or PR, for as long as the page loads correctly in most browsers. Furthermore, for your information, a 100% wc3 validated page isn't necessarily visible in all browsers!
What is perplexing here Robert is the fact that experienced members like Jack and Burt whose job it is to build oscommerce stores have kindly explained to you that having a wc3 validation isn't an absolute priority SEO wise and yet you continue to act as if everyone belittled or attacked you.
As for having multiple identities, frankly I don't see the need of having a different one for each store, but what I do see is that you use more than one identity to post at this very thread only to complain about other members harrassing you, when in fact you're the one harrassing people each time you hear an opinion differing from your own.
Edited by Biancoblu, 29 November 2009, 10:19.
#34
Posted 29 November 2009, 11:46
OK, have it your way Isabella.
I need an account for each store as to minimize confusion on my part. Why is a point of interest to you?
The reason I posted with two different ID's is because I replied to a post not realizing that I had logged in under a different account, but it was to late after I had posted.
You are looking for any reason to point out my deviating from an accepted code of behavior.
Set not by the forum rules but by people who have set themselves as forum police.
Which some of you have come to believe it is your job or responsibility.
I'm here to engage in a commercial enterprise which has nothing to do with any of you.
I don't agree with several of you, So why don't you all go your own way. I'm not going to be coerce by you folks.
You go ahead and upload web-pages with 295 errors, Isabella,and see where it gets you.
There is no sense in going on with this babble any longer.
By the way your name is so beautiful that it makes me feel good just to write it.
My mothers name was Generose she was Swiss/French.
OK, bye, I hope I don't have to reply to any more personal input and can stick to business.
I have no interest whatever in engaging forum members in personal contention.
If one was to read each negative post to me it is clear that there are numerous personal insulting remarks.
Best Regards, To you Isabella.
I need an account for each store as to minimize confusion on my part. Why is a point of interest to you?
The reason I posted with two different ID's is because I replied to a post not realizing that I had logged in under a different account, but it was to late after I had posted.
You are looking for any reason to point out my deviating from an accepted code of behavior.
Set not by the forum rules but by people who have set themselves as forum police.
Which some of you have come to believe it is your job or responsibility.
I'm here to engage in a commercial enterprise which has nothing to do with any of you.
I don't agree with several of you, So why don't you all go your own way. I'm not going to be coerce by you folks.
You go ahead and upload web-pages with 295 errors, Isabella,and see where it gets you.
There is no sense in going on with this babble any longer.
By the way your name is so beautiful that it makes me feel good just to write it.
My mothers name was Generose she was Swiss/French.
OK, bye, I hope I don't have to reply to any more personal input and can stick to business.
I have no interest whatever in engaging forum members in personal contention.
If one was to read each negative post to me it is clear that there are numerous personal insulting remarks.
Best Regards, To you Isabella.
Your identity is a figment of your imagination…
#36
Posted 05 January 2010, 16:41
This is one of those forums that are achieving absolutely nothing. Admittedly its fun to read, but a total waste of time. There are far better posts here about seo that this load of drivel.
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