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#441 aligp

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Posted 10 October 2009, 10:12

View Postspax, on 08 October 2009, 21:42, said:

Hi Harald,




I was referring to that particular article, not the overall saga. From what I read, it all seems quite factual.

Though, I would take issue with -

"Founder and leader Harald Ponce de Leon has been absent from moderating his own community forum for nearly a year and, as a result, the forum has become a mass of porn spam."

- which is clearly untrue. There was a brief period when a lack of moderation allowed a barrage of spam but that statement is over-exagerated.

And this also. -

"the new group quickly completed the long-moribund oscommerce MS2.2"

- If adding a couple of mods and removing a couple of files qualifies as "completed", my MS2.2 is at MS5. And describing MS2.2 as "long-moribund" is an insult to the community.

As for the one-sided bias to Ms Watson's piece, wouldn't it be good to read an article that redressed the balance. Maybe you could pen one yourself. Or better still, you could host a Q&A session.
Wow, another piece of seemingly "factual", "Impartial" artile and post!
One would be naive not to spot the hidden subject of journalist KW journalistic article.
Question should have been asked as to why on 06/10/2009 and not much earlier as it happened or not later until 13/10/2009, published an article listing all but those old, "factual" story lines? If you take off these old story lines, you are left with the hidden subject: to stir up the discontent in the osCommerce community. Here is the factuality she actually tried to convey:

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RA, MD of eV Ltd., noted that legal counsel was engaged to represent Ponce de Leon and not an organization named osCommerce, and that the negotiations were between Ponce de Leon representing his personal ownership of the mark
(one would expect an important point of law that could save RA would follow because RA's great discovery but nothing follows).

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The osCommerce community has had little reaction to Ponce de Leon's application for the trademark in his personal name
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If Ponce de Leon wins the EU trademark, he can assert his rights to these domain names and his dominion over other aspects of licensing the osCommerce mark
KW is obviously applying her (and her associates) own logic to others: assert her (and her bunch) (stolen) right to osCommerce.
I for one would not be fooled into yet another plot, conceived, as I would imagine, in a corner of somewhere while sobbing for the total defeat.
The issue is not one that the registration of osCommerce trade mark, it is the abuse of it that angers the whole osCommerce community. If you like you could register it in your own country as, eg, a souvenir, provided you dont set out to take over the official osCommerce where we are now reading/posting freely, and not go out to harasse anothers.

Ali

ps. dont come and critise my english as someone, eg, an Anthony, before you already did and "note" that english was not my first language. Yes indeed, english was my 100th language. Due to a car accidence, I lost all other 99 langusges, ie, from 1st to 99th. ;-)

#442 aligp

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Posted 10 October 2009, 10:42

As for Ms Watson's journalistic "factual" ability, wouldn't it be good to read an article that relists all factual events during the plot. Or better still, she could host a Q&A session about the failed plot RE who's who, who did what, who said what, etc.

Ali

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Posted 10 October 2009, 11:39

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If Ponce de Leon wins the EU trademark, he can assert his rights to these domain names and his dominion over other aspects of licensing the osCommerce mark
I'd say he has a proven track record of what he would do with osCommerce. If he were going to try to "assert his rights to these domain names" he would have done so before.
All he wants, IMHO, is that all his, and others in the development community's, hard work be recognised as coming from here and not be told you can no longer use the name that you built up, promoted, developed, and released.
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#444 johnnybebad

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Posted 10 October 2009, 13:25

This is a very strange situation, I hope that it is soon ressolved.

I find it strange that someone is claiming the trademark of something that is not and never has been theirs as far as I am aware.

Will be watching this with interest.

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#445 Harald Ponce de Leon

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Posted 14 October 2009, 08:47

Hi All..

Rhea Anthony / eCommerce Ventures Ltd have surrendered their blatant "osCommerce" trademark registration at the UK Intellectual Property Office dated 13th October 2009!

This is our victory! osCommerce is saved! Thanks to everyone in the community for their continued support!

Kind regards,
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#446 Ojibwa35

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Posted 14 October 2009, 14:05

May have won the battle, but we're losing the war...

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Posted 14 October 2009, 15:12

View PostHarald Ponce de Leon, on 14 October 2009, 08:47, said:

Hi All..

Rhea Anthony / eCommerce Ventures Ltd have surrendered their blatant "osCommerce" trademark registration at the UK Intellectual Property Office dated 13th October 2009!

This is our victory! osCommerce is saved! Thanks to everyone in the community for their continued support!

Kind regards,

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2512693

That is great news Harald, I am glad that they have surrendered the name, trademark and the GPL licensed software. I hope Vger also lives up to the promise she made and never comes back to this community again ... oh the happy thoughts. :)

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Posted 14 October 2009, 15:26

View PostOjibwa35, on 14 October 2009, 14:05, said:

May have won the battle, but we're losing the war...

There is no war.

osCommerce is and always will be one of the most sound and stable eCommerce solutions in the open source marketplace.

Other solutions that either fork it or copy it basically fail. Why? Because they attempt to be all things to all people. They add module after module to the core product bloating the code, introducing bugs and creating an Admin panel that intimidates most site owners. And in doing so they become difficult for programmers to customize. Which is what it is all about.

osCommerce was never meant to be a packaged solution. It was meant to be a starting point from which to build. The team has resisted adding to its core functionality. It has kept to what is the bare minimum required to operate an online store and left the whistles and bells to the community to add. And in doing so, site owners have been forced to carefully consider what functionality they needed, and just as importantly did not need, to support their unique (not generic) business model. Which is a good thing.

But this is what makes osCommerce vulnerable to accusations such as "it has not been updated in years". It did not have to be updated. Unlike its competition, it has not had any bugs beyond common php security issues in years. There is no constant upgrade path you are forced to follow.

And people forget that MS3 was a technology upgrade and not an urgent one at that. So it took a while to get out there. So what? You could use MS2.2 for your site with no worries whatsoever for years to come.

No only is this not a war, it is not a race.
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#449 aligp

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Posted 14 October 2009, 19:10

Can the UK IPO ever think of a better word than "death"? :)
Mark text: osCommerce
Status: Surrendered
Class: 09
Status before death: Registered

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Posted 14 October 2009, 19:20

View Postaligp, on 14 October 2009, 19:10, said:

Can the UK IPO ever think of a better word than "death"? :)
Mark text: osCommerce
Status: Surrendered
Class: 09
Status before death: Registered

I think that is quite fitting when talking about Vger's project.

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Posted 14 October 2009, 19:22

View PostHarald Ponce de Leon, on 14 October 2009, 08:47, said:

Hi All..

Rhea Anthony / eCommerce Ventures Ltd have surrendered their blatant "osCommerce" trademark registration at the UK Intellectual Property Office dated 13th October 2009!

This is our victory! osCommerce is saved! Thanks to everyone in the community for their continued support!

Kind regards,

Great News!

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Posted 15 October 2009, 07:09

View PostJava Roasters, on 14 October 2009, 19:20, said:

I think that is quite fitting when talking about Vger's project.

How true Peter!
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Posted 15 October 2009, 10:29

i didn't know the uk ipo also issued death certificates :).
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Posted 19 October 2009, 11:07

View Postweb-project, on 14 October 2009, 19:22, said:

Great News!

I liked the following page at URL:
http://www.oscommerceproject.name/

Yep, that was registered and setup by me when the whole thing started :-"
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#455 JonoB

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Posted 20 October 2009, 12:00

7 years ago (when I created my first online shopping cart) Oscommerce was a great product. Really great. Took some time to get your head around it, and required a LOT of digging and fixing. But there wasnt really anything to compare to it.

That was 7 years ago...and since then nothing has changed in oscommerce. Its still spaghetti code that requires constant hacking of core to get most other modules (and sometimes core itself) working properly. Its still depedant on DEFINE this and DEFINE that. Its _very_ outdated.

Unfortunately...well, actually fortunately....the rest of the world has moved on and there are now far far better alternatives.

A lot of work, time, energy and money has gone into oscommerce over the years by a lot of people. A great community was built. I can understand how people would feel passionate about 'staying loyal'. Hell, even I stayed with it longer than I should have. It happens to people who buy 'dog' shares on the stockmarket all the time: their head tells them 'sell' (and cut their losses), but their heart says 'hold' and maybe the share will recover.

But this is all emotional nonsense. It aint recovering. Its dead.

Yes, there are loads of sites out there that still run oscommerce (even one of mine still runs on that), and there no doubt will be for some time. But there _no_ compelling reasons to use OsC anymore; and certainly not for a new site.

This is merely a case of the dead cat bouncing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_bounce). I know its tough to acknowledge this.

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Posted 20 October 2009, 12:53

View PostJonoB, on 20 October 2009, 12:00, said:


But this is all emotional nonsense.


You said it.
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Posted 08 December 2009, 14:58

Hi Harald,

Just a thought, but why don't you introduce a new license for the osCommerce project, based upon the GPL, but including terms which prohibit nefarious parasites like Vger and her cronies from EVER using the osCommerce source code again, once they have attempted a coup, as they have recently?

For me, morally, those who try to undermine a project in such a despicable way should no longer be allowed to benefit or profit from it, as Vger is still doing through her web site at www.terranetworks(remove me).co.uk.

It looks like she is making at least £1490 for every osCommerce store she deploys; I really would love to see her lose this income as punishment for what she has attempted to do, that would truly be justice!!

I will be starting an open source project of my own early next year (not oscommerce, or even ecommerce related), and now that I have seen what has gone on here over the last few months, I will be doing exactly what I have suggested, to protect the identity and core intellectual property of my project.

Cheers,
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Edited by Cyburg, 08 December 2009, 14:58.


#458 kieran_mullen

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Posted 02 February 2010, 05:58

You shouldn't link just to their site since the forum posts can be removed. You need to create a picture.

Also any links to their site should have the nofollow tag for google so their site doesnt benefit in any way from your site.

View Posti2Paq, on 19 August 2009, 08:53, said:

How funny, she never claimed the osCommerceProject.Name domain.

So I did: Have a look :rolleyes:

Whats in a name :lol: