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#1 gis

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Posted 09 September 2002, 16:02

What do I have to consider when I want to setup an osCommerce shop in Germany. To be more precise, the server is sited in the US, but I am using a German (.de) domain.

Will a so called GBR (Gesellschaft Bürgerlichen Rechts) do? (I am aware of the unlimited liability of GBR's :evil: )

I assume I simply apply for a "Gewerbeschein" to run my shop, but do I also need to apply for permission to handle personal data in a database?

If so, what are the requirements for protection of data privacy?
Anything else I should consider?

All hints very much appreciated.

Greetings

gis

#2 Jan0815

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Posted 09 September 2002, 16:31

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What do I have to consider when I want to setup an osCommerce shop in Germany.
If german is a language you understand you can come over to http://www.oscommerce.de. Here you will find a lot of people that are from germany and can provide detailed answers.

You do not need any kind of Gewerbeschein. Thought it would be better to do so. Make sure you have an impressum on your site with all contact details (phone, address, name - no fantasy names, email and USt-ID).

HTH
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#3 Harald Ponce de Leon

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Posted 09 September 2002, 17:29

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You do not need any kind of Gewerbeschein.

Is that 100% correct?

I thought a Gewerbeschein was always necessary to do any sort of business ?

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#4 Jan0815

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Posted 09 September 2002, 21:54

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Is that 100% correct?

Yes.

The main issue here is "Haftung". Any natural person can start a business in germany. A Gewerbeschein is really usefull when it comes to "Haftpflicht" and "IHK". But these issues are by far better discussed on the german forum.
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Posted 10 September 2002, 15:01

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Is that 100% correct?

Yes.

The main issue here is "Haftung". Any natural person can start a business in germany. A Gewerbeschein is really usefull when it comes to "Haftpflicht" and "IHK". But these issues are by far better discussed on the german forum.

Sorry, Jan. You need a "Gewerbeschein" to trade things in germany.

I´ll try it in german, my english is very poor...

Um in Deutschland ein Handelsgewerbe zu betreiben, ist eine Anmeldung bei der jeweiligen Gemeinde erforderlich. Das gilt für jeden Handel, der nachhaltig und mit Gewinnerzielungsabsicht betrieben wird. Und dieser Wunsch dürfte vorauszusetzen sein, wenn jemand OSC einsetzen will.

Frische Grüße, Torsten

#6 Jan0815

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Posted 10 September 2002, 15:23

I already answered this in the german forum, but I will gladly repeat myself as it might be of interest for other people too.

If you sell stuff you need a "Gewerbeschein", but there are numerous other ways to use osCommerce (non-profit organizations, political party etc.) that might nod need it.

It depends. IANAL, so my advise is to contact someone that knows more about all of this.

If Thorsten would be right then all people selling stuff at eBay would need a "Gewerbeschein" ... ;-)
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Posted 10 September 2002, 15:33

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If Thorsten would be right then all people selling stuff at eBay would need a "Gewerbeschein" ... ;-)

...wait some month! Those "powerseller" will be in big, big trouble, if german "Finanzamt" get into their business. That´s my point: if anyone plan to open a webshop, he should stay legal. Otherwise there could be a very tragic ending...

Fresh greetings, Torsten

#8 Harald Ponce de Leon

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Posted 10 September 2002, 15:53

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if anyone plan to open a webshop, he should stay legal. Otherwise there could be a very tragic ending...

.. and it only costs €20,- :)
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#9 fisherman

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Posted 10 September 2002, 15:58

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if anyone plan to open a webshop, he should stay legal. Otherwise there could be a very tragic ending...

.. and it only costs €20,- :)

...but it depands on where you life. Range is from EUR 15,-- to EUR 50,--. But without it, it´ll cost much more!

Fresh greetings, Torsten

#10 rpkpavan

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Posted 05 February 2004, 14:20

Iam an student from india in germany.

to whom and where should you pay this Fees....!

because i also want to start an online shop.

thanx in advance